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It really is though.

You have to be hardcore about a game that made spreadsheets into a form of entertainment.

Jokes aside, the fact that players shape the game world via politics and system control is fantastic. It just takes a lot of patience.

That phrase is really starting to be ridiculous...

If he didn't care about being cliche, he should have probably said "more hardcore", because then at least he would have been used the term properly.

he doesn't say it's better. how would anyone quantify that? Dyak's outspoken, but he's not an idiot. What he actually said is "I love EVE Online, and actually for me personally I actually think it’s a better game".

come on mike, i expect better journalism from the co-lead. :-P

For probably the only time ever, I agree with TotalBiscuit, at least on the part about Too Human being a fun and in-depth game. So I wouldn't exactly say that it 'disappointed widely'. I will say this though, from the interviews I have seen with Denis Dyack, he is pretty full of himself and while I believe Too Human is a fun game, I don't think its the revolutionary game that he believes it to be. And in the end, we're talking about his opinion here, which he's entitled to, one way or the other.

While the gameplay isn't revolutionary, the setting certainly is and I think that's something people often ignore. The techno-viking settings is a step up in maturity and complexity when it comes to story-telling, without a trace of generic in sight and Baldur is an anti-hero the likes of which we rarely see. To me, Too Human is a sign that video-games are growing up as an artform, and that is indeed, revolutionary.

The dual analogue sticks are probably the closest replication of the Diablo 'hold the mouse button down and aim' control system you can get on a console, hence the reason it works. If anything, it's better than the Diablo system due to the ability to use more complex combos in arcs, hitting multiple targets.

But yeah, Castle Crashers is awesome :)

You're likely right on every point, matey. I rather liked the Too Human demo - there was a bit too many cutscenes compared to the amount of free playtime, and the menus were a bit disorganised, but the game itself wasn't bad.

And Eve is tons more advanced than WoW, and has loads more options etc. However IS IT REALLY MORE FUN?

Eve's learning curve is super steep. You can legally get ripped off by other players in the game. If your ships get blown up it's tough luck buddy, hope you got insurance or got the cash to buy another. :P Ganking is even more a way of life in Eve, and quite frankly - starting out as a beginner in Eve mining ore is mindnumbingly horrible.

Add to that the confusing interface with its myriads of options, new Eve players sure got their work cut out for them. It's not by sheer coincidence that Wow's become as popular as it is. It's got depth, but can be played by an idiot at the same time.

Eve's a bit too much to handle for most players, unfortunately, because space games are cool IMO. I just can't deal with all the peculiarities Eve throws at me and figure out how to play the game without getting bored or GETTING LOST. WoW has distinctive terrain for all zones - eventually you'll find your way to wherever it is you're supposed to get to. Space on the other hand looks pretty much the same wherever you go. One better enjoy blackness and stars in the background to like spending very much time in Eve. ;)

tb, i'd agree with every point, apart from 1up being a 'rag'. they're one of the few online outfits to sit down and have lengthy mature conversations with dyak (the 1up podcast is excellent btw) and took time to actually hear his opinion, and seriously learn about the game. this week a few of their team are playing it and saying positive things about it... not overwhelming positivity, but still, positivity.

So he likes a more hardcore game. Depth can be argued (lots of data!=depth).

Most MMO's fall into the grind fest / elitism. And EVE is one of them. So I really think eve is nothing special. A hardcore game among a sea of hardcore MMOs i.e. grind fests cause lets face it, hardcore in a MMO sense means its a massive grind fest to appeal to those willing to throw away hours to be top dog.

It's a fail-safe system of MMOs, crown a few elitist dip shits king in your MMO, and bang you've got yourself a set of dedicated fans that will stick to your game and guarantee you income (in theory anyway... didn't quite work out so well for most other MMOs, you'd think they'd learn).

Blizzard does this too, but just enough to keep them and pull in the casual market. And no upcoming MMO post-WOW seems to want to change that. Which is disappointing really. The MMO genre is in serious need of a revolution. You'd think WOW would spark off lots of copy cats, at least take some of what makes WOW so appealing, but no. WOW is most likely that first and last MMO I ever play... that is until WOW2! =)

Someone prefers EvE to WoW! Such a revelation for Mike! He HAS to blog about it!

Have you even played it?

I played through the demo and didn't enjoy it one bit, and I'm a huge Diablo-style game fan.