As we said last week, things like reputations and quests are easy to track -- other than dailies, you can't do the same quest twice, so it's easy for Blizzard to know, since day one, which quests you've done. And if a quest takes you to kill, say Onyxia, and you've completed it, then obviously you've got the achievement. Where it gets a little fuzzier is if you haven't done that quest, but you have killed Onyxia -- Blizzard probably doesn't even know yet if they'll do things like look for specific loot from certain bosses in a character's history, or if they'll extrapolate things even farther -- if you're Exalted with Hydraxian Waterlords, does that mean you've cleared MC?
But Tigole does say that Blizzard is making a conscious decision to be as inclusive as possible on these old achievements -- whenever they can, they'll reward credit rather than making you go back to redo old content. That's a good choice -- it does mean that a few people will get angry for not getting the achievement because they killed the boss but didn't do the quest, but the alternative, awarding no retroactive achievements at all, would be even more frustrating.
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8-06-2008 @ 4:58PM
MechChef said...
LFM Onyxia.
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8-06-2008 @ 5:30PM
Baluki said...
Once you hit 80, you probably won't need more than one for Onyxia.
8-06-2008 @ 5:49PM
Malyfactian said...
That reminds me; Blizzard needs to seriously consider un-raiding all those old raids (i.e., removing the raid group requirement).
8-06-2008 @ 11:21PM
Bunkai said...
You don't really need more than one for it now, do you?
There are vids of "solo" Ony runs.
8-06-2008 @ 4:59PM
Thrush said...
Cool! I wonder if my character will have a fit of achievement animations when I first log into Wrath.
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8-06-2008 @ 5:10PM
vlad said...
yea, mmo-champ told us last night :)
8-06-2008 @ 5:22PM
Odok said...
The good news is there's a quest to kill nearly every boss in Outland. The attunement quests cover Nightbane (there's a quest to kill Prince too, if Blizz has trouble deciding which is the "end" boss of Kara), Gruul, Vashj, Kael, and Magtheridon.
Then there's the quest to kill Illidan and get your Blessed Medallion of Karabor.
So for those who've cleared the Outland raids, you'll only have to go back and kill Archimonde and Kil'Jaeden for credit. Hyjal is a quick clear and not too much of a pain. KJ will be rough though... even at level 80. Hopefully they'll do the 3.0 patch before Northrend releases and include achievements with it. That way the current end game guilds can get credit for KJ.
As for old world bosses, all of them had a "head" turn in (including ZG and AQ20) aside from Ragnaros that should get you credit. Now, the question is... should exalted Waterlords faction give you credit for Rag? The only way to ding Exalted is to kill Rag or Golemagg. So technically it only proves you killed Golemagg... and since there's no gates in MC, doesn't prove you killed anything before him. On the other hand, it's hard to believe anyone got that far without at least 1 Rag kill. I say Blizz should just give the benefit of the doubt to folks with exalted rep.
Also, if you've done the AQ opening quest chain, that's another slew of boss kills you get credit for. Collecting pages for the blue chain requires a Ragnaros and Onyxia kill, and the red chain requires a Nefarian kill.
And who knows, they might resort to scanning gear for boss drops as well.
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8-06-2008 @ 5:42PM
Antdude said...
Just some idle thoughts:
Complete Tier 2 would confirm you'd killed Nefarion and Onyxia.
Hand of A'dal title confirms Vashj/Kael kills.
I'll probably think of more later, but it seems if Blizz could go through the database of stuff you've gotten over the years, you could get achievement credits for a lot of this stuff. Of course I dumped my Tier 2 set long ago, as others have.
Here's where player housing would have been nice. Armor stands for your old sets, a weapon stand or spot above the fireplace for your Thunderfury. Maybe even heads on the wall for all the heads you've turned in(might be crowded).
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8-06-2008 @ 5:48PM
Culhag said...
The Thunderfury questline also requires to kill Ragnaros.
Sadly I don't have anything to prove I killed Rag and Nefarian. We didn't farm them long enough for me to get anything.
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8-06-2008 @ 6:19PM
dan said...
This "confirmation" was part of the original statement about achievements. Esp in terms of these older "feats of strength".
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8-06-2008 @ 6:39PM
Aaron said...
This is a double edged sword. Suppose that in a guild of 25 active raiders who have killed Kil'Jaeden, only 15 of them actually have Kil'Jaeden loot. Is it fair to give the Kil'Jaeden achievement to those 15, when 10 people who ALSO have killed Kil'Jaeden won't get credit?
This is why I believe that raid boss kills shouldn't be retroactive.
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8-06-2008 @ 8:51PM
Odok said...
Punish 25 players or only punish 10?
Logic dictates the latter.
8-06-2008 @ 10:02PM
Vesian said...
I think something you guys haven't considered is that Blizzard keeps detailed tracking information about pretty much everything your character does, in case the information is needed (IE, you deleted an item, you weren't able to loot an item, etc.). Consider this: They could just run a sniffer that detects GOLD LOOT from bosses. "X received 12 gold 2s 16c from Princess Huhuran" or something like that.
Would make the burden of proof infinately easier on the devs for determining who was present (and contributing) during boss kills.
Of course, this wouldn't be applicable for world events, but for 99% of the game's content, there's your answer.
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8-06-2008 @ 11:52PM
theRaptor said...
No way does Blizzard keep that sort of detailed logs. The storage requirements would be insane. The only think we know for sure they track is completed quests, they might however track boss kills.
Blizzard claims they can't tell what loot dropped for a raid when you get a loot bug. Or that they can't restore stolen gold when you get account hacked. So there is no way they are accurately tracking and linking your gold income and expenditure.
8-06-2008 @ 11:01PM
Anon E Mouse said...
I can't help but think of a particular VGCats comic whenever anyone brings up the achievements system. I guess I just don't "get it" ...
WARNING: This comic is extremely NSFW, and inappropriate for children. But it's freakin' hysterical, and spot on.
http://www.vgcats.com/comics/?strip_id=258
Please feel free to rate me down if you disagree, but don't the second and third panels essentially define the entire achievements system (and even the raiding end-game itself?)
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8-07-2008 @ 5:19AM
Gormaggus said...
The fun part will be getting 50 achievements at once upon logging into wrath :P.
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8-07-2008 @ 12:08PM
Mongoloid said...
So do you actually get anything for the acheivments or are they just for bragging rights like in XBox Live?
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8-08-2008 @ 4:44AM
Culhag said...
Loot check confirmed for all the 25 and 40 man end-bosses.
You need to still have said loot somewhere in your inventory though.
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8-08-2008 @ 5:10PM
anjali said...
I just think that for some of the stuff, maybe they won't worry about retro-activating it because it will force players to actually go back to the old world and get those achievements - thus keeping that part of the world semi-alive. Could be their strategy.
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