I still remember hitting 40 on each of my shamans. In each of their cases I'd been running Scarlet Monastery non-stop collecting the mail pieces that dropped off of each of the bosses, and I'd managed to acquire the helmet, shoulder, legs and chestplate before I dinged on my draenei. (I didn't do as well on my orc, I only got the helmet.) When I hit 40 and trained to wear mail, I was ecstatic. No more leather, I swore then and there. No more rogue squishiness without rogue stealth! I went forth to level through the 40's and 50's thrilled with my new gear (I wore that shoulder for a very long time, at least into the mid 50's) and eager to sing the praises of mail. Sure, it's not plate, but it's the second highest armor available, and if you're a shaman you can even equip a shield and get even more armor if you're a healer or ranged DPS, making you even less squishy in those roles.
In short, I love mail for my shaman, and my other shaman. I don't like wearing cloth, or leather armor for elemental or enhancement. (In fact, I really don't recommend wearing cloth for enhancement.) Sometimes, however, you will end up stepping down your gear to leather or even cloth for a variety of reasons. Before we attempt to work up a comprehensive 'this is the leather/cloth gear you want for this role' post, let's discuss the reasons you may find yourself turning to those kinds of armor over mail.
In short, I love mail for my shaman, and my other shaman. I don't like wearing cloth, or leather armor for elemental or enhancement. (In fact, I really don't recommend wearing cloth for enhancement.) Sometimes, however, you will end up stepping down your gear to leather or even cloth for a variety of reasons. Before we attempt to work up a comprehensive 'this is the leather/cloth gear you want for this role' post, let's discuss the reasons you may find yourself turning to those kinds of armor over mail.
There are several reasons why you might choose to wear leather or cloth armor, depending in part on what your spec is and what you expect to be doing. Those reasons include poor itemization on mail for a specific role, a lack of mail options to upgrade to in the content you're currently exploring, and simple drop luck.
Many enhancement shamans, as an example, find mail to be poorly itemized, especially as they move from five man dungeons into 10 and 25 man raiding. Since the mail designed for physical DPS is often designed for both hunters and enhancement shamans, it relies on stats such as straight attack power and agility over strength and critical strike rating which might serve a shaman better. We see this in sets such as the Desolation Battlegear, which is clearly itemized to be of use to both enhancement shamans and hunters even though hunters already have the Beast Lord Armor set itemized specifically for them. (Indeed, the hit rating bonus on Desolation is better for a lot of hit starved hunters than it is for shamans who will already have quite a lot of the hit they need from talents.) As you continue to level your enhancement shaman, you'll find that outside of Tier sets specially designed for you that you're looking at a lot of hunter mail for your DPS needs. (Now, I have to admit, I love the stats and the looks on Shaman tier gear.)
Now, in a lot of cases, these 'hunter mail' pieces will work just fine for your enhancement shaman. Compare the Mantle of the Tireless Tracker to the Tier 5 Cataclysm Shoulderplates. Similar attack power before blessings, a good deal more crit on the Mantle (and even more with the agility bonus to crit added in) vs. Cataclysm's benefit from stamina (more HP for when you pull aggro or take a cleave) and the sockets. However, it's hard to declare either of them as vastly superior to the leather Shoulderpads of the Stranger. Instead of intellect, a stat that most enhancement shamans are indifferent to, or MP/5, which the vast majority downright scorns, the Shoulderpads have expertise, a very valueable stat for melee DPS and one that's not terribly easy to get at this level of itemization. The combination of a hard to achieve stat in mail (I don't know of any mail shoulders with expertise on them, there may be some in the Sunwell that I'm not current on) with a lack of any wasted stats like int or MP/5 and a red socket makes you seriously consider these shoulders over either mail drop.
Now, for elemental shamans, it's not that caster mail is poorly itemized (since it is in effect designed specifically for you and only you) so much that it can be hard to acquire. If you look at this guide to pre-Kara drops, you'll notice that the non-PvP mail options before badges are all blue mail chestplates. Now, if you're running heroic five mans with a good group in preperation for Kara, at some point you'll probably run Heroic Magisters Terrace. I can't imagine an elemental shaman at that level of content (Magisters is hard on heroic but still doable by a talented five man group well before they set foot into Karazhan) turning down the Scarlet Sin'dorei Robes. As an elemental shaman, I might actually prefer them to the mail badge chest from the Isle of Quel'danas vendor. (In fact, I am actually aiming towards getting the Embrace of Starlight for my elemental shaman over the mail chest, which is a leather piece, but has the spell crit I want. If I decide to go cheap to save badges I may get the Blessed Elunite Coverings, which are still leather.) Less int and spell damage, but a ton of spell crit and three sockets vs. spell haste (admittedly a good stat for elemental if you're trying to get your spell rotation to include more LB's before a chain lightning) - the cloth might not be quite as good, but if you're running heroics to assemble the 100 badges anyway and it drops, why wouldn't you equip it? The armor value isn't really that important at that point, except possibly for soloing/questing where you might want to hold on to a weaker mail piece just for survivability.
But in a PuG, much less a 10 or 25 man raid, you're not supposed to be getting hit anyway. So the armor value, which a nice perk for melee DPS, means not very much at all for an elemental shaman. Now, I say this as personally still a convert to mail: I prefer mail to leather and/or cloth and will wear it whenever I feel I can get away with it, unless it's going to seriously impact my performance. I can't argue that mail is always superior for any given role, though. There's a reason that your armor proficiencies don't backwards limit you: the reason a shaman at max level can wear leather and cloth in addition to mail is because, sometimes, he or she is going to want to do so: a piece of gear will drop that is a clear and present upgrade despite being cloth or mail, and either due to loot rules being open or there being no one else who needs or wants that piece, the shaman will end up with it. I used to ignore these pieces, and as a result I've directly hurt my enhancement shaman's DPS for five mans and raids by passing on gear like the Sunrage Treads and the Shoulderpads of the Silvermoon Retainer. (On the same run! I passed to a boomkin for his offset without even thinking! He didn't even want them! If it were possible to go back in time and kick myself in the groin I would do so, especially since they refuse to drop again now.)
The point here is not to be a loot greedy jerk constantly fighting with classes who are limited to cloth or leather for their needs. The point is to be flexible and consider exactly what you do and don't need from a piece of gear: is armor value all important for the slot or are you going to see a performance upgrade for your role if you equip this item? If you answer yes, my DPS/healing viability will increase with this piece of gear, then you should never close your eyes to it simply because it's not mail. Don't let mail partisanship blind you.
Next week, I'll be listing specific leather for enhancement and cloth for elemental before Kara, and hopefully getting to restoration cloth and leather as well. I'm also hoping to do a big badge loot post for all three shaman specs.
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7-10-2008 @ 5:19PM
Morest said...
I actually tend to perfer stats on leather gear over a lot of mail pieces, like a lot of the leather pieces for physical classes are really great and are a lot more superior to my enhancment shaman (if socketed right and etc.) then a lot of mail that has the same base level. One reason for this is most likely the pure stats on the leather versus mail that has intellect and mp5, which I find to be something I dont need to stock up on between mana pots and shamanistic focus. I can pretty much stay on the upper 50% of my mana bar :] and still have mad AP, Crit and Hit Rating.
I recently looked at the new talent pools that WoWhead has posted and it looks like intellect is actually going to be a nice little beneficial thing to enhancment shamans, instead of a stat that can be greatly sacrificed. Looks like it will kind of work like hunters Agility, but give us intellect and AP. Interesting.
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7-11-2008 @ 3:19PM
ugh said...
i am so sick of enhance shamans and fury warriors taking leather gear from me, as a rogue.
Look people, I HAVE NO CHOICE. It's all leather for me, and you spoiled jerks think you are entitled to leather gear because blizzard itemized it wrong. Thats not my fault! Why should I be punished because blizzard messed up on your itemization.
You are also holding back the raid, depriving rogues and feral druids of the best leather pieces when, usually theres an equivalent mail piece somewhere in the same dungeon. Granted, the leather might be slightly better - but the point is, you have a choice in which armor quality to take, so don't deprive your fellow raid members of high quality gear.
If you really need leather dps gear, let the rogues and/or feral druids have at it first - and use your mail gear to tide you over - it cant be THAT bad.
in before 'bla bla bla armor class is worthless yadda yadda i dont get hit in raids'
STFU - its about choices and using alternative pieces and stopping someone from getting a huge upgrade because your mail piece has intellect on it.
and besides, rogues will squeeze way more dps out of most of the leather armor than you enhance shamans can ever dream of - stop holding back the raid and do your job as a party buffer.
that is all
7-11-2008 @ 1:42PM
hi said...
just want to add, i love your columns rossi - you do a great job in wowinsider.
im just sick of the entitled enhance shamans in my raid, and hunters too for that matter. usually the fury warriors stick to their plate.
either way, keep up the great work bud.
7-11-2008 @ 5:47PM
drew said...
Before they got rid of the bonus threat from earthsock/rockbiter I tanked all the way up to ZF. I off tanked quite a bit too in Sunken Temple on all the green dragons. I never had problems holding agro with an opening CL and beating on the target mob with rockbiter, earthshocking any mobs that go after the squishies. SM was great fun doing multiple runs back to back in different rolls. One night I did three cathedral runs, once as a healer, once as tank and once as dps.
7-10-2008 @ 5:26PM
Saelorn said...
Maybe it's just me, but I find it hard to truly distance myself from my character. Although an elemental shaman might benefit most from wearing a mix of cloth, leather, and mail, I can't help but feel that the cloth pants are going to snag on the mail tunic and get a nasty rip. Not to mention, it just looks unpleasingly asymmetrical.
Being able to wear heavier armor is supposed to be a good thing. There might be a situation where that extra armor is the difference between the Prince one-shotting you or taking two shots to do it, which means there's a minute chance that it will give you a chance to finish him off with one last dirt shock.
On the other hand, heavier armor is more expensive to repair. I see nothing wrong with either of the two caster builds deciding to wear exlcusively cloth, aiming to reduce the penalty of failure rather than the one in a million chance to avert it.
I just wish Blizzard would revert this silly "enhancement as DPS" idea of theirs and go back to making shaman tanks viable for 5-mans; give shamans a real reason to wear the heaviest armor they can.
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7-10-2008 @ 6:56PM
evankimori said...
"go back to making shaman tanks viable for 5-mans"
Uh...maybe it's just me but I've never heard of a Shaman tanking.
Ever.
Maybe for the lower level instances before say...BRD with all the ezmode-nerfs-to-hell all pre-BC instances if you got it right but for the length of time I've played this game, I've never heard of such a notion nor seen anyone attempt to do such.
Maybe it's just me and knowing/playing with people who don't try to do something that's out of their class' league and abilities. No I am not saying it cannot be done-hell, I've done Heroic Ramps without a tank without a wipe. No bullshite. One of the most hair-raising runs I've ever done. But insanely fun. I digress.
I mean come on. You have a shield as a Shaman, yes, but that still doesn't even warrant speccing for Shield Spec in Enhancement. It's not even worth the block rating & chance. You don't have a taunt of any kind but I admit you can probably generate a ton of aggro with a good Enhance spec, yes.
Maybe it's just me alone thinking this is a fairly ridiculous notion. Someone's bound to have tried/done it in the past but personally: I've never seen any shaman worth their salt even try such a thing. I mean we warriors, paladins and feral druids are here for a reason. That's our job. Mitigation, aggro control and tanking are our business. Don't try to take it away from us and do an acceptable but still mediocre job of it.
Tanking indeed!
*note that this is not meant to be condescending/ridiculing in any way, but simply an opinion*
7-10-2008 @ 6:59PM
darian said...
Actually, my mail gear saved my Elemental Shaman's life just last night in Karazhan.
Omen was acting up severely for me. Despite appearing at 90% of MT threat, several times I pulled threat during boss fights (a feat that should not have been possible before the 130% threshhold.
One such instance was Illhoof. 1 minute into the fight I pulled threat (blinking in disbelief). I actually tanked him for approximately 45 seconds before the tank was able to get him off me. Thanks to self heals, a lot of armor, and some on the ball healing from the raid I lived, and in fact never was in the danger zone.
If I'd been sporting significant cloth/leather drops, I'd probably be dead. However, 90% of the time (when Omen is working, you're watching it, etc.) you should be getting hit, and DPS/max health is what counts.
7-10-2008 @ 7:06PM
darian said...
Shaman used to tank, sort of. My Shaman was born in the days that Rockbiter and Earth Shock had extra threat components. He tanked RFC, WC, VC, SFK, and even RFK. It stopped being viable around the same time other classes get plate and you don't.
But in those days, we were meant to be the counterpart to the Paladin, and so ridiculous notions like Shaman tanking were put forth. Newbies such as myself (it was patch 1.3 and I'd been playing only a month!) simply took what the game threw at us at face value. Bonus threat abilities were meant for tanking, and so I tanked.
*Now* there's basically nothing outside of Frost Shock that gives Shaman bonus threat. Were we to tank, it would be on pure damage potential, and there certainly isn't gear designed to do the job. The class, at this point, definitively lacks the necessary skills and dynamics to be a viable tank. Even Boomkin have better tanking credentials.
But hey, I hear you can tank Karazhan if you really try.
7-11-2008 @ 10:11AM
TriggerHappy said...
I can't imagine any situation where the armor on a mail piece is worth the stats you almost always sacrifice for the armor, at least for enhance.
There's a very minor chance it will let you take an extra shot from prince, but if he's one earth shock (2Kish) away from going down, you could easilly have done more than the 1,000 to 2,000 earth shock damage over the course of the fight with the extra crit/AP/hit/expertise that leather pieces have over mail.
If you want to insist on mail for appearance or character reasons and don't mind the efficiency hit, that's one thing. But it's hard to justify a lack of dps stats for armor.
7-14-2008 @ 6:39AM
ErsatzPotato said...
"Being able to wear heavier armor is supposed to be a good thing."
It IS a good thing. More options on gear. Full stop. Sure, shaman mail is a bit iffy at times, but you can backtrack to whatever you need as needed. It's the flexibility, more than the +armor, you gain as a shaman. The heroic cloth dress mentioned is the best piece in the game for mages, warlocks, and shadow priests--who can only wear cloth--until/if Vashj drops her robe. (The 100 badge item is better than the MgT, but not by much.) Cloth has more drops because several classes can wear it and nothing else AND several other classes can drop down to it as needed. Same with leather*.
To ugh:
"i am so sick of enhance shamans and fury warriors taking leather gear from me, as a rogue.
Look people, I HAVE NO CHOICE. It's all leather for me, and you spoiled jerks think you are entitled to leather gear because blizzard itemized it wrong. Thats not my fault! Why should I be punished because blizzard messed up on your itemization."
Read what I wrote above. My mage and warlock co-mains don't bitch and moan when a boomkin, prot pally, or elemental shaman roles on a piece that is a clear upgrade. Flipside, I'm not going to pass to an elemental shaman because a great dagger dropped and they can't use swords. Upgrade is upgrade.
Hybrid players often want to want to have their cake and eat everyone else's too. Wear everything AND get itemized gear for themselves only AND have quite a few items only they can equip AND do same damage as a specialized DPSer AND toss emergency heals AND get CC AND have great synergies AND rez. I agree, it gets kind of old. Still, upgrade for main spec is upgrade for main spec. They've every darn reason and every right to roll.
*bit murkier on leather as a lot of it, same as mail, tends to be smeared across all specs instead of focussed one one spec or class. Then again, look at some of the cloth; it's often no better. Mage gear going back to tier 0 is notorious for being yucktastic with unwanted itemization jammed down our throats.
7-10-2008 @ 5:42PM
Marvela said...
For me the personal gripe is in end game raiding gear - a hybrid class like a druid has access to an infinite selection of tanking leather, rogue leather, and spell damage leather - meaning that they can stay within their own class armor without needing to nab cloth as often as they used to. And they can do this VERY comfortably because of the variety, and the fact that these armor piece are suitably tailored to them.
Yet shaman only have the offering of 2 spec specific armour stats - Damage and healing mail, and Healing mail. There is no denying, short of pvp/tier gear, and maybe a belt off tidewalker, there is no 'Shaman melee dps' mail. All of the attack power / intellect / agility / mp5 mail is hunter mail, pure and simple.
Therefore on my enhancement shaman, I find myself turning more and more to leather - and viewing the armory, it's simple to see - the highest dps enhancement shaman wear alot of leather rogue, and to a lesser extent, feral druid gear.
In short, Do I feel enhancement shaman are neglected as far as itemisation goes?
God Yes.
But do I regret looking like a female draenei rogue from a distance?
God No.
-Marvela, 10 Shaman
Cenarius
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7-10-2008 @ 6:53PM
Mastermenchi said...
Yea, as a Enhancement Shaman Raiding Sunwell i find myself wearing 3-4 pieces of mail gear and the rest is all leather gear.
For the most part mail melee dps gear is poorly itemized in general. i know quite a few hunters who pick up leather pieces here and there and just generally don't like their gear as much, if not more, then enhancement shaman hate the gear.
Blizzard really needs to go back to the drawing board on mail gear just like it did for paladin gear.
Though with our new alpha talent i know i'm definitely taking a new look at our currently lack luster (pre sunwell) tier 6 in a much better light as all that nearly useless int now boosts the ap on those items by quite a bit.
7-10-2008 @ 5:46PM
PimpyMicPimp said...
If you don't wear leather or cloth you're losing one of the main advantages of being able to wear mail; a wider pool of gear options.
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7-10-2008 @ 5:59PM
Ikarus said...
As an Elemental Shaman (lvl 56) Its all about the stats for me. could care less about the armor count. And since there is hardly any spell dmg mail pre 60, I feel i have every bit as much right to roll on cloth as a mage or lock, or Leather as a druid. The argurment against this "But you can wear mail..." doesn't really stand. sure i "can" wear mail, but how about telling me where i can get said mail with the stats i need. I need the stats every bit as much as a mage.
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7-10-2008 @ 6:09PM
Lohr said...
If you are Enhancement Shaman, and you're wearing leather (Thrall-forbid cloth), then you have exceeded Epic fail and started to venture into the territory of Legendary fail. You glow a shameful Orange in the darkness.
Season Two stuff is T5 equivalent...so if you are fully decked in T5, then you are ready to embark on T6 content. Spend some time on an AV weekend running with the monkeys, and you'll get 2-4 pieces of gear, or if you have no girlfriend, 3-6. Got Jolt? 4-7!
Or you can run Karazhan over and over like a lab rat in a maze for months, then T5 endgame for months...and you'll finish TK or SSC right about the time the rest of us will be dinging 80.
(P.S. S3 [read:T6] Arena gear still has no rating (except the shoulders) and is on sale now. Just faceroll your way to the S3 Arena gloves, which are the cheapest and make a huge difference, if only for their special ability.)
Enhancement Shaman take a variety of physical damage (Gruul's, anyone) up to and including PvP. Resilience? Raise your hand if you've ever been the victim of a Dot in raiding.
/raise
So if you're looking to make an Enhancement Carebear, by all means, rock your leather and cloth. Let me know what the floor looks like, because you'll be inspecting it a lot.
If, however, you're looking to excel and compete at both, learn to play the game. Not raid. Not Pvp. Learn to play your character and execute any and all moves flawlesly. (And amazingly enough, even the talent trees are compatible for both!)
Before the Legion of Message Board Geeks nerd rage and fumble their way through poorly thought out, and completely irrelevant analogies, consider this nugget: Take someone who can beat Halo 3 at the highest difficulty...it's because they've memorized the location of all the snipers and use AI exploits to win. (and it's actually a pretty good AI, unlike WoW's) Now take the guys who are tops in the world at Multiplayer. They just know how to PLAY THE GAME. They know how to translate what they want to do, to their fingers with ease. Humans, the most powerful AI in the world, are also the toughest opponent to beat. Those who dominate multiplayer can easily hose down the scripted AI in the same way the opposite is not true. Same in WoW. Call it the Armageddon Principle: It's easier to train PvPers to raid than it is to train PvErs to PvP.
Calling Harry Stamper.
OOOOOOH...but Aggro is soooooo complicated.
(Sipping on a chilled glass of tears)
Try breaking out of a stunlock. That's complicated, because nobody is going to taunt the rogue away from you.
BTW, you can't download DeadlyPVPMods or go to Allykillers or Hordekillers and learn how to kill things. You learn by doing, and a lot of you aren't very good at learning. Apparently, lead chips are a popular WoW computer-side snack.
Ever seen a patrol surprise a raid/party of PvErs? Monkeys, meet football. Football, meet the monkeys. It ends in comic tragedy, but it's fun while it lasts.
Ever seen a patrol surprise a raid/party of PvPers? PVP...it's Ganktastic.
If you're looking to make the best character available, learn to PvP if only for the gear it provides. I don't know what kind of gear the rest of the classes get (including the other PvP Shaman specs, since [Elemental = Warlock - pet] and I respect healers and the job they do, but have no desire to heal at all), but you will not do better than the PvP/Arena gear for DPS and while it will take you a few weeks to complete a full set, it will take you infinitely longer to assemble a raiding set.
That is, unless you're more brainless than an Imp and actually like fighting the same boss, over and over, and over. I'm sure you all do, because nobody gets raiding burnout. Ever.
And yes, I realize we all play in the same battleground over and over again, but no two matches in the history of Wow have ever played out the same way and that's what makes it interesting. Us A-type personalities like to compete, and we like to win. We keep it at 100 and don't understand people who like to lose.
I'll say that again...some of us like to compete and win. And it's not because it's a stupid game...we're wired that way. Women, poker, women, sports, esports...you name it.
People who like to compete can't turn it off...people who don't like to compete can't turn it on...which is a shame because the gear you need is within arm's reach. You just have to stop spending 16 hours a week raiding, and start spending your TIME where it will do the most good. (Oh, and the quest where you turn in marks for honor...can Blizzard lower the branch any more for you?)
Parting Shot: Good luck, Enhancement leather/clothies taking on the Arena-fight in Heroic MagT. Do you honestly think that's the last fight like that you'll ever see?
Keep the mail, embrace the mail, and no, don't buy into the Hunter gear for a second...Silly Shaman, agility is for Huntards.
Got my S'mores ready...let the fire and flaming begin!
-Lohrdook
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7-10-2008 @ 6:09PM
Matthew Rossi said...
I don't know about flaming you, per se, but outside of the pvp weapons, I would invite you to try a full set of Tier 5 enhancement DPS gear out for PvE, and compare it to PvP gear.
You will significantly outperform the PvP gear. Yes, resil is nice if you get hit, but if not, it's useless. And in PvE the DPS is not there to get hit.
The majority of physical DPS shamans, especially in T5/T6 content, are wearing leather in at least a few slots.
7-10-2008 @ 6:47PM
sardis said...
If an enhancement shaman wants to be competitive dps for pve, they practically need to use leather, mail for enhancement pve is itemised rather poorly, and pvp gear is deffinately not solving that...
Heck the best in slot stuff in sunwell is for a good few parts leather, and enhancement shaman in that content are using that leather, they obviously are wrong, arn't they?
7-10-2008 @ 8:08PM
Lohr said...
If mail foe PvE was itemized poorly, we'd see it somewhere. Maybe it used to be, but I've been top and near the top for all my raiding career...but I hate to break it to all of us...
We're not there to top the meter. We're there to help others top the meter, and follow up.
Think about it, we're expected to be viable solo WITH totems...rogues, hunters and warriors are expected to be solo and raid viable WITHOUT totems.
So when you add our big advantage, to their extensive list of them...it's a big DPS-fest, with us serving the drinks.
While it's safe to say that you can find some raiding leather than can outperform mail in terms of pure DPS, keep in mind the extra intangibles.
You are more work for the healers.
Dead DPS = 0 DPS
Thank God I'm not on a PvP server, but do you have to bring a change of leather to an instance?
I know Enhancement Shaman itemezation was hideous pre-BC, but they've rolled out a lot of items that if you can play your class well, you can succeed.
I hate to rely on the crutch of other people's thinking (Elitist Jerks) but itemization falls into two categories...Strength and everything else. They don't mention leather because they really don't specify what the research is for...Pvp, Arena or raiding. But it's a big topic I would think they might mention it.
My point is, the best way to tackle T5 content is to show up in T6 gear, and if spending an hour (literally) a week just doing Arena (I have Omen installed, I do read up on some strategies, but for the most part I am casual and we have fun with our 10 matches) and I have a S3 helm and gloves, which complements the rest of the stuff I've Pvp'd my way too nicely. Let me know how kitting out your character in 25-man raids works out for you. I dinged 70 in April and I am looking like the Grimace.
Then again, in a few months we'll all be sharding the epics we covet so much now.
Summation: If you're not going to get hit, armor & resilience are not helpful. But Enhancement Shaman have the hardest job in the world as DPS, because we cannot CoS nor can we wear plate and we do get hit by stuff.
Why do Shamans' hate AOL?
You've Got Mail.
We wade into the thick of things, causing ungodly amounts of burst aggro, and essentially have to keep ourselves alive by any means possible. Mail keeps us in the fight when leather wearing Shamans have died.
-L
For healers and elemental...by all means downgrade armor. If you get hit the whole affair is over. But what are you doing with the rest of your non-raiding time, and how long could you last vs. any other DPS in the Bgs or Arena?
7-10-2008 @ 11:50PM
Angus said...
I'll keep this short.
You're an idiot.
7-14-2008 @ 11:08AM
Scott said...
LOL, you fail at understanding PvE mechanics.