Yeah, if he was "passing" the person next in line should have gotten it; the fury warrior.

From now on, I'll roll need on everything and decide who gets the loot.

Doesn't work.

How can you be torn between whether the healadin should roll in the first place?
There should be no way at all that the healadin should be able to roll. If she rolled nonetheless, then it should go directly to second highest. (Ignoring the roll)

Agreed with Agile. Only primary spec should be rolling in the first place. If they don't want it, then off-spec then gets a roll. Being as the Healadin was off-spec, she shouldn't have rolled and this would have just been a showdown between the tanadin and the warrior.

The fact a healadin wears plate doesn't mean that they should roll on all plate. I have a friend who plays a healadin that when first raiding wore cloth, leather, and mail, because it gave the stats she needed and there is no reason for her to worry about the actual 'armor' stat. She's now primarily in plate, but that's due to getting healing plate drops and nabbing things off-spec if the primary specs didn't want them.

I gotta agree that the Healadin should have bowed out ... you gotta equip if you are gonna roll on a covetted BoP. If you are not equipping, you are not rolling.

Also agree with Agile. Only roll on items you personally need, period unless no one needs the item. Makes everything else moot.

I had a similar situation last night in a kara badge run. Illhoof dropped the 83dps mace, I (rogue) and a arms warr rolled on it. I won the roll, but the party leader (master looter) said I could not have it because I already won something earlier (poison vial from romulo) So he just handed it off to the warrior. Not only did I fair and square win the roll, I could actually use the item. What does a Arms warr need with a 1h mace? Off spec or not for me, I still could use it more then him.

He then had the nerve to tell me "hey dumb ass, if you have ever been in a pug before you know that, thats the rules. Once you win a piece of gear, you cant roll on anything else, ask anyone ever."

If you are on Crushridge horde, do not group with Bucz from the landed gentry. : )

The healadin shouldn't have even rolled in the first place, when there were people who did Need the item. Here's a ground rule: use common sense and consideration, and only roll Need for upgrades for YOUR toon, for your spec, Greed for off-spec. How hard is that? Is not being a douche that hard? People like this are what is wrong with PUGs.

Why would you roll if you didn't "need" the item? why even make the argument that whoever rolls should be able to do what they want with it. If you roll just to shard it, you didn't need it and shouldn't have rolled. If you rolled to give it to someone else, again, you didn't need it and shouldn't have rolled. The healadin should not have rolled. all the groups ive run with ( I have 3 70's) say primary spec takes precedence.

You can greed if it's an off spec.

Crap like this is why Blizz put the roll dice in the game to begin with. Roll Need if you need it, greed if you don't. You know what items you need and what items are of no use to you. If someone doesn't want to use that system, there is probably a good reason why. Case in point, the pallies in this article.

This kind of crap is one of many reasons why so many folks don't do PUGs anymore...though I understand that can be difficult to avoid while leveling. In the future, if someone wants to use their half-baked loot system, just say no.

Well Fizzed... the reason people make the "pass on BoP rule, then /roll" rule is that it adds an extra measure of control to keep retards from rolling Need on something they can't use or that isn't an upgrade for them (or is offspec when someone else needs it more).

Frankly, the timer on the need/greed thing is too short to allow any kind of serious consideration and deliberation on who can and can't roll.

So we pass on BoP, look at the item, decide who's eligible to roll based on class/spec/role, and then allow need rolls first (for gear benefiting your current primary role in the group), for greed rolls (for gear benefiting an offspec or role outside your current one), for DE rolls (if an enchanter is around), and then for money rolls (to vendor it).

Note that my guild doesn't consider talent spec when deciding eligibility for rolls. It considers what you're actually doing in the group. If you're a ret paladin healing for the run, and another ret paladin is along DPSing the run, then you don't get first dibs on DPS gear. The other ret paladin gets first dibs! Although this typically dries up and becomes a nonissue at endgame when it's almost impossible to fill a role outside your spec.

Anyway, we solve the whole need/greed/ninja issue by switching to Master Looter before bossfights.

I agree, it's like the healadin only rolled to increase the tankadin's chances.