Hrmm... actually, wasn't Sargeras the one who presented Kil'Jaeden, Archimonde with their path, which Velen saw through and split apart from the rest of the Eredar to become the Draenei?

However, Sargeras never really met the Old Gods...or at least the ones from Azeroth.. >_>

It's explained that DURING Sargeras' rampage through space, the Titants discovered Azeroth and the Old Gods and dealt with them.

This would mean that if something evil did turn Sargeras, it would have to be akin, if not stronger, than the Old Gods of Azeroth. My guess is that there's, like the Titans, a pantheon of Old Gods, who themselves travel through space to bring CHAOS to all. Chances are the Titans and Old Gods just happened to meet on Azeroth as the Old Gods were working on the planet, causing a ruckus.


Mind you this is all speculation, that I just came up with, but it would make sense, and be pretty cool. A group of Anti-Titans.

Three Godly factions: One to bring destruction, one to bring chaos, and one to bring order. Seems pretty epic.

I agree here, Sargeras never met the Old Gods, he only came to know of Azeroth when Azshara started messing with portals and the well.

Welcome to the world of Retcon. In the original lore, Sargeras was corrupted by the Eredar, who were always demons. In creating the Draenei, the good Eredar, they had to change this, so Sargeras was corrupted by the Nathrezim and then sought out and corrupted the Eredar to be his champions.

Also, it is interesting to note that Sargeras was not originially intended to be the big-bad, that was always Kil'jaeden's spot. However, through a series of retcons, Sargeras ended up becoming the big bad, founder of the legion, and all.

The First War? The Totally uncalled for orc invasion. Witch actually wasent the orcs fault, it was the demons, but thanks to grom we no longer have to worry about that. And the alliance havent forgiven the horde for that. Then theres a bounch of other stuff like fight over land, trees, opinions and... stables? Also its been discovered that both the balck dragon flight and he lich king is fueling the conflict. So theres a lot of stuff, but when it comes down to it, its mostly the hate between orcs and humans. (cuz humans used orcs as slaves and gladiators, witch was not nice at all)

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Imprisoning enemy Orc armies in camps instead of extermination like the Orcs were sent to do/were doing, I consider it very merciful. Besides the random individual's abusement inside a camp (Blackmoore) it's peaceful.

@6 - Because they keep stealing our ore nodes while we're fighting off a mob!

Humans are mad because orcs came to destroy them. Orcs are bitter because they were slaves to humans. Night Elves are fighting for their forests. Undead are trying to kill everything, but since they're allied with Horde that leaves Alliance and the Scourge.

Blood Elves hate the Alliance for allowing Quel'thalas to be destroyed. Draenei is mad because blood elves took tempest keep, and consider orcs evil.

And then the races have other races who are helping them out due to alliances (dwarves, tauren, gnomes, trolls), who may not have a specific animosity. And everyone is still angry about past wars.

Thus Horde and Alliance fight, even if they're supposedly at a "peace" right now.

The Horde and Alliance are currently in a state of cold war. They aren't allies, but they aren't explicitly enemies, save for a few distinct factions in a few distinct areas of conflict, the battlegrounds. However, both the Horde and Alliance know that neither one power has the strength to stand alone against the Scourge or the Legion, so they end up forming alliances against major threats, as they have during the Ahn'Qiraj war and during the Burning Crusade's storyline.

Part of Arthas' plan in Wrath, it would seem, is going to be to pit the Alliance and Horde against each other in a far more active fashion, so as to deprecate their efforts against him. He's always been the smartest and most cunning of the villains. Combined, the actions of Arthas and Ner'zhul have led to the defeat of the Burning Legion in the third war (by leading Illidan to the Skull of Gul'dan, and depriving Archimonde of his reinforcements at the Battle of Mt Hyjal), the fall of Illidan (See above, plus defeating him in single combat in Northrend and putting him on the outs with the Legion), the fall of Lordaeron (Killed daddy personally), he even out-decieved the Deciever himself (ruined all his plans, killed all his lackeys directly or indirectly, eventually forcing Kil'Jaeden to appear in Azeroth, only to be predictably defeated).

There are a number of things I can't guess, but we do know that Kel'Thuzad will be back, as Father Inigo Montoy did not destroy his Phylactery. Sapphiron, as well, the Alpha-Frost-Wyrm, both in Naxxramas 2, and I suspect Kel'Thuzad will have an appearance in the Arthas fight.

Anub'arak, the guardian of the Lich King, an undead Nerubian Crypt Lord, formerly the King of the Nerubian empire is sure to make an appearance as well.

We know Malygos will be a boss encounter. Also, I'd expect a show-down with the dreadlord Mal'Ganis in the Caverns of Time, along with the Infinite Dragonflight in some capacity.

I fully expect to see some boss related to the Black Dragonflight in the expansion, as well, if only to further that storyline. Also, one of the Old Gods is confirmed to be a boss in Azjol-Nerub.

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Hold on, Alex. As I understand it, a faction of the Thunder Bluff Tauren are allied with the Forsaken, which is currently tolerated since, after all, Cairne can't exactly condemn a working relationship with a formal ally of the state, so to speak.

It doesn't really suggest this is a de facto approach of the Tauren.

They don't need the trees for anything, because they don't need to be in Ashenvale, the site they murdered Cenarius on, for anything. They could pull up stakes and leave at any time, there's plenty of room in Durotar and the Barrens for them, and plenty of trees in Horde-dominated areas like Stonetalon. Why don't they wipe out the Steamwheedle and get their lumber from Horde territory, if they need it so much?

The orc presence in Ashenvale is unchecked aggression and encroachment into night elf lands. When you consider that the orcs, after driking demon blood, killed the demigod responsible for Druids in the first place, it's no wonder the NE's don't want to ally with, much less deal peacefully with, the orcs and other horde races.