meh.

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I can relate to this

As a 2 week old level 70, I started out in Arena's only just 2 days ago getting my 10 games worth in.

Blizzard in their infinite wisdom paired us against people in full S3 gear

Us in reputation blues got one-hit most times.

Managed to win 2 games out of 8 though which wasnt bad.

The point I am trying ot make is that Blizzard need a system where they pair us n00bs against other n00bs. A minor league may be the answer, I think a better way would be to have people change into their arena gear when they queue for a match. The game then assigns a point value to the gear based on stats. This point value then becomes a marker for a seeding system where low points play low points and high points play high points.

The arena team is no indicator since they can be disbanded and started up again easily.

I am sick of being "farmed" for points. With the gear reset forthcoming in the expansion........are n00bs like me really going to be that motivated to take up Arena now when we are one hit by teams in full epics?

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I remember when i first hit 70, I had to pvp as a prot warrior. Good thing I had my brother do 2v2 with me. We stayed at around 1550-1600.

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Quote: you can't turn Level 70 and immediately expect to be invited to a Black Temple Raid.

Actually thats not true, we recently had one of our guildmates reroll a prot pally, we took him to hyjal at 68 and he had 2 piece t6 and hammer of judgement before turning 70.

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I'm about to turn 70 this weekend (yay) and although the concept of Arenas doesn't interest me that much, I know there's not much point in me even setting foot in there out of curiousity.

Then again I can get my rep blues as soon as I ding, I've got honour and marks saved up for some s2 so maybe I won't get completely steamrolled but BGs just seem a more entertaining form of PvP, especially when you can look out over AB from the Lumber Mill and realise that people are actually defending the flags, and talking to each other! *sobs of joy*

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I don't get WoW PvP.

Any FPS has superior gameplay and balance. WoW will never be able to compete with FPS', at least small scale. WoW PvP should be more about BG's, IMO. It'll be easier to balance and is much more Warcraft-esque than 2-5 people dueling.

More BGs, pl0x.

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Hooray for another Utopia->WoW convert!

(and as someone who plays Arena very casually, I kinda like the idea too)

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I would DEMAND a solution for battlegrounds too. The twink infestation is a problem, and to have a small "ratting" in BG's would separate people with roughtly different gear and skill, into different and more competitive BG's.

Yes, queueing would be a problem if things stay like they are now, unless more people are attracted to play BG's because of that.

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"I hate to see players driven off from PvP because of the perception of futility.
"

This is why I stopped pvp completely on my rogue. By the end of Season one my friends and I couldn't break 1600 as we were all fairly new to lvl70 pvp, and the people we were fighting either steamrolled us or toyed with us.

Once we couldnt take down one member of their 3v3 since they had almost full season two gear, and they taunted my friends Mage (since the other two of us were dead) and would only hit him enough to take him to half health. He being stubborn would bandage himself, attack ...oh wait! half health...eventually he had to quit to give them the win. How is that fun?

Half way through season two we disbanded as alot of people had alot more arena rewards and we had no chance at all. I even stopped BGs since one or two pieces couldn't hold up to fully geared arena players.

Since then I have made two more lvl 70's, a mage and a shammy, took them in BGs at lower levels and had a blast.

Once I hit 70 and went in I realized again that I had no chance. Even if I buy all the Pvp rep blues I can't see it being worth it anymore except to get the epic war mount. Once that is done I'm never going back.

It was futile and because of it I wish Blizzard would make servers without PvP at all, no BGs or arena, just PvE.

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i keep waiting for the day when i see a post on how "Blizzard Does Away With Arenas!".

today is not that day.

/cry

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First of all, WTB Proofread.

Second of all, if you are bad at PvP it will reflect in your arena rating, and like matt said, Blizzard just needs to fix their matching system.

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It can be tough and one of the problems I think is the length of the arena season.

Season 3 will be 30 weeks long. At 250 points/week (just below 1500 rated 2v2) you will have 7500 arena points over the course of season 3. Thats almost enough to get 4/5 S3 and S2 shoulders. Then with the honor you could have full vindicators, S1 weapons, etc. For sitting at 1500, that is some very nice gear. So its very possible and common for people to face (nearly) full S3 teams at any rating.

I am not trying to start a welfare epic discussion. I also think the arena matching system is flawed. The other night we lost 1 point in a match.

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the following is taken from http://wow.curse.com/articles/details/9636/
which is an interview with Tom Chilton:

"Curse: With all the changes you're introducing -- 10-person instances for every raid instance -- can we expect a similar shift for the Arena and Honor systems, where the Honor system is basically the equivalent of 10-person, and Arena is 25?

TC: Certainly the itemization is going through some changes to reflect that. The way we have it set up is, the highest end of the Arena gear and some of the Honor gear that has Arena requirements on it will actually be equivalent to 25-man raid instances. So when Season 1 starts for level 80 Arenas, the best stuff that has really high rating requirements, kind of like what you're seeing for the Season 4 rating requirements, will mirror the 25-man Naxxramas quality. Then we'll have a middle tier that's below that, that has lower rating requirements and is much cheaper, but it parallels the 10-person raiding quality. And then we're also going have a tier below that of PvP gear, that has no requirements at all, and it parallels the Heroic dungeon quality gear. So we do plan to start out with multiple tiers right out of the gate, and we're going to make sure that the best stuff also feels, from PvP, kind of equivalently difficult to get as the best stuff from PvE. So we're trying to equalize the balance a bit better."

Close enough...

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The "minor league arena" he's suggesting sounds a lot like regular Battlegrounds.

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