Your guild leader/officers are the ones to tell you otherwise. It reflects poorly on the guild and yourself as a player. Even if you do see it. You should probably \gquit and start up your own guild if you think that is fair. That way you can build something up with like minded people. No harm no foul.

Some people have self discipline and a sense of fair play, others do not. You have to ask yourself which type are you.

Supply, demand, and the TOS are the only rules we need to follow. Anyone who thinks otherwise and limits their behavior to follow additional personal rules may be acting nobly, but certainly are not adding anything to their game except a sense of personal achievement.

Honestly, if blizz's changes devalue the work you put into your achievements, you can't expect other players to pretend the changes weren't made, unless you're willing to force them into it.

Supply and demand works for guilds as much as they do epics- a guild leader can make any demand he wants, so long as he's willing to accept that people might disobey and either quit or be kicked. People can choose to disobey commands from their GM as long as they understand they will have to find another guild, which may not be the easiest thing to do.

"Your guild leader/officers are the ones to tell you otherwise."

excuse me, but my guild leader/officer's do not pay for my account. hence they have no say in what i do with my accounts resources.

that kind of "we rule you!" attitude is one of the biggest problems with WoW. GM's and guild officers thinking that they have dominion over your life because of a stupid in game guild title that doesnt mean squat for anything.

with all of the articles in the guildwatch section about guilds being clueless as to why players leave their guild in droves. this right here is one of the main reasons. too many people think that they are a monarch with absolute authority to do and say whatever they want to their guild members.

They don't have dominion over your life, but they do have dominion over their guild. It's their job to have a vision for the guild, which can not possibly be 100% compatible with every last member. While dictators will certainly shove people out, you'll find that even more democratic leaders will stand firm on points they see as core to the guild's ideology.

Even if you find the perfect guild, no guild is static. Time changes all things, and at some point you'll either have to compromise or deal with what comes from standing firm. It's not a bad thing to have some principles you won't compromise on, but it is bad if you blindly blame the other person for reacting appropriately.

I completely agree with you, 'sides if I were a guild leader I would want my fellow guildies to get geared up one way or another.

It depends, there's a fair amount of pride involved in raiding, and going outside the bounds of your guild can send bad messages everywhere.

Raiding with other guilds can easily send the message that your guild is weak, falling apart, inadequate or attempting to piggy back off of other guilds, particularly if this is content your guild hasn't seen. It also sends a message to your guild that you are bored, unwilling to wait, or generally superior. These perceptions are probably far from the truth, but perception is important.

My guild doesn't have a problem with people raiding with guilds that are similarly progressed or perhaps a bit behind us. So long as they make their reasons clear to us and to whomever they're raiding with (usually simply a matter of helping friends outside the guild, or because they didn't make our raids that week) we're generally fine with it.

That makes absolutely no sense. Buying epics doesn't mean that you're giving your guild the finger to go raid with someone else's guild. If anything, it's paying to help your guild progress. Personal progression is guild progression, assuming that you're still raiding with your guild regularly.

@Pzychotix

Your right... but only up to the point that the person running with other guilds leaves the original guild because they out gear there fellow guildies and are bored with "helping" them run the content they are currently on.

In our guild your free to run whatever instance/raid with whomever and in the past we've had people become geared both on guild raids and while raiding with others and then leave the guild. Its an uncomfortable feeling when someone says they are unavailable for a guild run to find them logged on and running with another guild... but it happens and ultimately I hope that people are in the guild for a social reason rather than loot, gear and personal progression.

You make it seem like it's a given that if you buy raid epics, you'll move on to other guilds.

That's a very big assumption to make.

Click the often forgotten "Read" link.

Technically they do. It's their guild, and they establish the rules. If one of them is "We don't allow members to raid in more advanced content with other guilds", then they have a right to tell you to stop.

Now, of course, you have the right to tell them to stuff it, but the probable consequence would be a swift /gkick. If you think that's unfair, you're probably in the wrong guild.