In before 13 year old internet f-wads call you names.

Isn't that just society being sexist and stupid though?

Thought humanity was over this by now -.-

"- Female Exaggerated Features: Symbols of Objectification"

You could say the same for the male features are symbols of objectification as well because fitness and power come off very sexy to the female gender. Fundamentally speaking.

Just because a woman has been blessed does not mean there is no more to her than what she has been blessed with.

Blizzard molded its characters after because it's pretend land and not real.

I find it interesting that Blizzard releases a new wallpaper and the Sexism in Fantasy Art argument flares up, but a post not more then 7 posts prior is about an amateur artist created a "Bad Girls of Warcraft" set of pin-up art ( http://www.wowinsider.com/2008/04/15/the-bad-girls-and-good-girls-of-warcraft/ ) and the topic isn't even hinted at by either original post or comments.

Not that I am saying that either place is more or less valid, but speaking as a fellow not-yet-professional artist (I'm working on that as fast as I can, guys, I promise) I just find the contrast fascinating. Draw your own conclusions on that.

Yes, I'm going to burn in Pun Hell, I know. I couldn't pass that one up.

Let's have Blizz make a MMO where the men and women all look like their real life counterparts and let's see how many games they'd sell.

The men can all have couch dweller, beer drinking pot bellies or pale and pasty emaciated mama's basement dwelling physiques. The women can sag in just the right places with bon bon munching hips.

The sexism argument is pointless in a fantasy based game. The men want their heroines to be fit and pleasing to the eye. They want the characters they play to be buff. I doubt the ladies want to play a characture of Rosie O'Donnell, either. And if they wanted to see a 'real' male physique, they can scope out their husbands in the shower every morning. There's a reason why sex stops after a few years of marriage and people pay to see boobies online.

It's kinda along the lines of why you never see normal looking people in the movies or in print. People are attracted to beautiful and sexy.

Because females don't objectify muscles at all, and all males think skinny women with huge breasts are attractive?

Men and women are certainly wired differently. I'm not personally a guy who falls for the first skinny thing that walks by. Sure, I'll look but I'm wise enough to know it's what's under the hood, so to speak, that is important.

It's a good thing that a few of us actually grow up and realize that brains and personality are a lot more fun to be around than a trophy body.

Exactly right, Naix. By A Female Gamer's use of the loaded word "Objectification" in relation to female images, he/she/it implies that such representations are inherently negative. After all, who wants to be merely objectified? And the words "fitness" and "power" in relation to male images suggest positiveness. After all, who would reject being fit and powerful? I contend that both categories of images are objectificational and that they also both indicate fitness and power. A Female Gamer's phrasing simply shows bias for male images and against female images in WoW's art.

Pick your battles, maybe. Turn a blind eye? Nope. Where would our discussion of race be if the dominant portrayal of African-Americans was still the "tarbaby/porchmonkey" art style that was THE art image until just about 60 years ago?

It's really two completely different issues. Comparing the horrors of the African-American plight to this issue really isn't fair. Battling racism is the noblest of causes but fighting over a silly issue like this is rather petty. I"m not entirely convinced this can even be included under the blanket of sexism when taken with the other really serious issues women have faced. The glass ceiling and the right to vote vs. males ogling fake female figures in a FANTASY video game?

It's a given fact that most males are libido driven and really appreciate the female form. It makes sense to market to that. It's also a fact that will never change no matter how many times you cry sexism. You might brow beat males into hiding it better, but I don't think that'll happen because there are way too many willing female accomplices posting their boobs on myspace now days.

Because you're greatly outnumbered. 8)

Agree...

But I think the discussion should really be about art... after all are the Mona Lisa or the Sculpture of David cause to break out an argument of sexism?

I guess in 200 years folks might look back on the "art" of Warcraft and feel about it as many historians do about the "classics".

It's not that we don't know how the world works, we understand it's like that now, we're just so tired of it...

Personally, I accept what I am, naturally if I feel attraction to someone (man OR woman) I'll treat them differently.

How you treat someone in a business /should/ be different to how you treat someone privately, problem is humanity is still stupid when it comes to gender / race. -.-