Before I go on, I'd like to reiterate my disclaimer on this topic: Just because your class or spec is not expected to top damage meters, that does not mean you should become complacent about your DPS or Healing effectivenessity(use it, love it) in a raid. You should always strive to be a better player and find ways to improve yourself. If you think you've hit the ceiling of what you can accomplish, work harder to break through it.
First, there are DPS benchmarks for even the utility classes. They are not as high as the pure classes, but they are there. For example, your Rogues may be putting out 2100 DPS on Teron Gorefiend, but your Enhancement Shaman is only doing 1600 DPS. This is okay. If your Rogues are doing 2100 DPS and your Enhancement Shaman is equally geared, but only doing 1200 DPS? That's a pretty good sign that they're doing something wrong. These numbers are never solid, and shift wildly with gear levels. Sometimes the hybrids will be very close to the pure classes, sometimes the gap will be massive. For more information on this sort of thing, I highly recommend lurking around on the Elitist Jerks forum. The place is full of good information.
Next, keep an eye on deaths. This may seem like a silly little detail, but it's true. All DPS classes are plagued with dumb deaths caused by wanting to squeeze out just a little more DPS time, but this is especially true of some of the lower DPS hybrids. Not everyone does this, but you'll see it pretty often. In an attempt to get in a little extra DPS time to compensate for their lower-than-average damage, a hybrid will start nuking away without a care in the world way before they should, or after they should have stopped. Dead hybrids not only means they do no damage, but it also means their utility is gone. This can severely hurt your raid over the course of a fight. If one or two people are consistently dying early, it's time to start troubleshooting. Are they DPSing too early? Do they not have enough Stamina to survive the environmental damage of an encounter? Are they focusing too much on damage, and not enough on using Healthstones/Potions/Etc?
Track the stats tied to the specific class/spec combination's utility. Does the Retribution Paladin have enough +Hit to keep all of the Judgements refreshing? What kind of heals is the Resto Druid casting? Are they using Lifebloom to its fullest potential? Are blessings getting rebuffed reliably? Does the Shadow Priest have a good uptime on Vampiric Touch? Most of these are things you can check just by looking at a WWS report. If you only have one Resto Druid in your raid, they shouldn't be chain-casting Healing Touch. While Dreamstate is technically an option, it isn't what you want your one Resto Druid doing. You can gauge their knowledge of their role just by looking at the breakdown of what spells they're casting. A good Restoration Druid won't be tops on the healing meters, but those HoTs are invaluable. They may not seem very important while you have them, but you'll notice them when they're gone. If you don't have them, you'll find that your raid goes much more smoothly when you get them.
I cannot stress enough the importance of watching that all utility is being used as much as it can be. If you have someone with Improved Faerie Fire in your raid and it isn't constantly on a boss, find out why. If a shaman doesn't have totems laid throughout the entirety of a boss fight, find out why. These are things that won't directly show up on a damage meter, but could make or break your raid. An Enhancement Shaman in the melee group not giving the Windfury Totem buff to their group is like your Protection Warrior trying to tank Illidan without a shield. Seeing that Warrior die horribly is hilarious the first time, but you probably aren't interested in it happening repeatedly. If your Shaman can't drop totems, that's an important part of the class and something that should be addressed.
Like with all raiders, the simple ability to adapt to new situations should be used to assess performance. This isn't something you'll strictly apply to hybrids, but an important detail nonetheless. Are these players fast/smart enough to not stand in giant pools of fire? Can they interrupt spells properly? Is the druid capable of shifting out of kitty, Innervating someone, and getting back to DPSing? Does your Enhancement Shaman know what Totem Twisting is, and does he/she do it? Are the healers capable of Decursing, Cleansing, and Healing in the thick of battle, or do they only have enough focus to tackle one of those tasks?
To sum up, a knowledge of the class you're assessing is needed to judge a hybrid's performance in a raid. Every raid leader or officer should have some understanding of the class they're assessing. A simple glance at the Damage Meter isn't going to tell you who's worthwhile and who isn't. You need to look a little deeper, know a little more. Dig around Elitist Jerks for the information you need. Utilize the tools available to you(such as WWS) to take a deeper look at the stats you want to know. Hybrids do take a little more brainwork for all involved, but the contribution of a good hybrid player is absolutely amazing.
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4-12-2008 @ 9:28PM
Shinwei said...
Whoa what's up with this statement:
"A good Restoration Druid won't be tops on the healing meters, but those HoTs are invaluable."
A good Restoration Druid WILL be tops on the healing meters on any fight with multiple tanks, any fight that involves a lot of moving around, and any fight in which silence is an issue. If your restoration druid isn't topping the meters on these kinds of fights (Archimonde, Illidari Council), then they're doing something wrong. Especially on multi-tank fights - check all your tanks and see if they're allowing Lifebloom to fall off too much.
The only healers that's really never going to see the top of the meters in BT/Hyjal are Paladins. Sorry, but their pitiful and tiny heals really just don't cut it for anything other than single-tank healing.
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4-12-2008 @ 9:42PM
Alex Ziebart said...
Hierarchy of the Healing Charts is really very dependant on the encounter. Sometimes a Restoration Druid will be up there, most definitely. There's also encounters where they just won't be. It was probably a poor example, I'll admit that, but I think the context still gets the point across.
4-13-2008 @ 9:23AM
WarriorDragon said...
I believe your wrong. As a resto shaman in SSC/TK, I am topping the heal meters on trash AND bosses (yes even the fights with multiple tanks). My guild has several very skilled resto druids, but in my opinion, chain heals rock heal charts.
4-13-2008 @ 10:50AM
Balasan said...
Resto druids are usually not going to be top of the healing charts. Rolling lifeblooms and rejuvs or whatever are not going to be scoring big on the meters. If you are the one topping the healing charts in a raid, your resto shamans are slacking.
Though as mentioned, being top of the charts doesn't mean anything (apart from whether resto shamans are raid healing well enough). As long as everyone lives when the boss dies, that's good enough.
4-13-2008 @ 1:50PM
Shinwei said...
I did not say Resto druids would top ALL healing charts. I said they will top healing charts during encounters with either a) multiple tanks, b) silence mechanisms, and c) the need to be constantly on the move.
As a Resto Shaman who is now in Sunwell, I know fully well how much we dominate in SSC/TK. No other healer even comes close to the power of Chain Heal in those days. However, in BT and Hyjal Resto Druids and CoH Priests really start to shine. In these instances you should expect a pretty good balance of "who's topping the healing meters" amongst Resto Shamans, Holy Priests, and Resto Druids. The only healing class that really gets the short end of the stick and will pretty much never even get close to the top of these meters is a Holy Paladin.
4-12-2008 @ 9:42PM
Aiur said...
But that's the thing! See, the different healing abilities of Paladins, Druids, Shamans and Priests are precisely what differentiates their roles. I recall a previous article that broke down each of the healing classes into categories that showed that each class excels in different encounters/situations.
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4-13-2008 @ 3:46AM
Matt said...
The real problem here is that the author is attempting to excuse hybrids for inadequate DPS/healing. No one gives anyone the benefit of the doubt in terms of tanking, so why should other hybrids be given the green light to slack? Today I entered TK for the first time as a (mainly tank partially T4) feral druid (in a T4/5 guild - actually the guild that crashed a large number of servers this afternoon when we rolled Kazzak), and when we hit VR, I allowed the raid leader to control the group. Afer a couple of attempts due to ranged DPS problems with orb handling, I chose to kitty DPS in tank gear... and I out-DPSed the entire raid. The next attempt I switched to kitty gear and DPSed the entire fight. At the end of the fight, I contributed 13.8% of the total damage...with #2 at 8.9%. At this point you have to choose 1 of 3 options: All of our guild's DPS was retarded, I am the most elite 2 piece tier 4 hybrid ever... or we give hybrids too much leash in terms of DPS slacking. If it helps you make this decision, just prior to TK we knocked out all 5 of Magtheridon's channelers before Mag attacked (while I tanked and then died while cat-DPSing). My feral was partied with 3 rogues and a ret. pally (no warrior or totem buffs for me, though there were 2 rogues who benefited from both of those and a feral buff), and yet I crushed DPS. In short, you can't let hybrids off the hook for DPS or healing just because they have "hybrid potential". Sometimes a prot pally tanks, sometimes a resto shammy heals, and sometimes YOU SHOULD JUST EXPECT YOUR FERALS TO CONTRIBUTE MORE THAN JUST A 5% CRIT BUFF TO MELEE!!!!! Just because I could heal or tank while I throw the raid a paw doesn't mean I can't also embarrass 14 other DPSers by a WIDE margin.
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4-13-2008 @ 4:52AM
Alex Ziebart said...
1.) Void Reaver is a fight tilted in favor of the melee. You stand there and DPS to your hearts content while the healers heal you through Pounding. The ranged DPS dodge orbs. This is a fight tailored to give melee DPS the edge. You should be placing higher than equally geared mages and such here. If youre not, you're doing it wrong.
2.) Your group had no warrior or enhancement shaman. A Ret Paladin is quite nearly gimp without Windfury, and some of the biggest utility buffs that Rogues can be given were completely missing. Yes, Feral Druids can do very well on the damage meters when your raid's composition is very far from ideal.
3.) It is not difficult to down all of the Channelers before Magtheridon is loose anymore.
4.) I am pretty sure you did not even read the article, or you would have seen the second paragraph stating the following:
"Before I go on, I'd like to reiterate my disclaimer on this topic: Just because your class or spec is not expected to top damage meters, that does not mean you should become complacent about your DPS or Healing effectivenessity(use it, love it) in a raid. You should always strive to be a better player and find ways to improve yourself. If you think you've hit the ceiling of what you can accomplish, work harder to break through it."
Sorry, you can try again later!
4-13-2008 @ 8:08AM
quaunaut said...
My problem is that these days, its like most hybrids don't even try, and it pisses me off. Too many look at my raid group's WWS and say "Wow your DPSers suck.", just because I tend to be in the top 5, as an Enhancement Shaman, when really, its just that I never let the fact that I'm a hybrid get in my way of proving people wrong.
And considering the large gear deficiency that my raid has for melee(we've been doing SSC/TK for about 2 or 3 months, and have gotten so few melee drops that most of us are still primarily Kara geared), I still find it awe inspiring just how good a focused melee DPS group can outdo the ranged. At this point, they just don't have any way of catching up with us, unless there is a lot of AoE- we just min/max too much, are too prepared, and fill in eachother's weaknesses too well.
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4-13-2008 @ 1:25PM
anonymoose said...
I was going to vote that his dps was retarded. In general, even the best hybrids will often be behind their pure dps counterparts. This isn't an excuse (and hybrids often push everything to the max to earn their continued raid spots) but seriously--Alex's assessment of your groups is spot on. And if you are T4/T5 just now entering the T5 content--please don't assume you are so OP. Much of the content you are now entering has been toned down significantly--so yes, if you are outdpsing all your melee they need serious help.
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4-13-2008 @ 10:47PM
Matt said...
It is cute when a web author tries to defend his inaccurate claims by randomly attacking a raid make-up about which he knows nothing. Seriously did you just look up a game misconception or sterotype, accept it as fact, and decide to write about it without any research or thought? If you applied that kind of ridiculous "reporting" in the non-WOW community, you would end up writing such terribly offensive articles as "My 4 Wives: Romney is a Polygamist!" and "Why Black People Are Shiftless And Lazy."
Your claim that I led because VR is melee-heavy is clearly clueless because you seem to make the vapid assumption and assertion that I would be the only melee DPSing in the middle. Yet you go directly from there to comment on the rogues, so clearly I'm not the only melee. We actually had 2 groups of melee DPS, so your first point already goes straight out the window.
Your claim that the rogues missed out on their utility buffs is entirely pulled from your no-no region. I said I didn't enjoy the benefit of shammy or warrior buffs. If you read again, I said that one of the melee groups, including 2 rogues, did benefit from an enhancement shaman and feral buff. There was no warrior, but we did have the ret pally's judgement and an improved faerie fire from a boomkin. Apparently in your world, a rogue is useless whenever they don't have a warrior shout... but I didn't have those either, so again your second argument is fatally and obviously flawed.
I won't deny that Mag's was heavily nerfed. You mention that it isn't difficult, but that doesn't actually parry my point that DPS was carrying its load. Looks like your responses are full of suck and fail so far today.
And finally, of course I read your article. If I hadn't, I wouldn't be suffering from that temporary IQ-debuff from your writing; however, it seems you yourself might have forgotten to read your own article. At what point does the following quote say anything other than "you can always improve your own performance?"
"Before I go on, I'd like to reiterate my disclaimer on this topic: Just because your class or spec is not expected to top damage meters, that does not mean you should become complacent about your DPS or Healing effectivenessity(use it, love it) in a raid. You should always strive to be a better player and find ways to improve yourself. If you think you've hit the ceiling of what you can accomplish, work harder to break through it."
Nowhere in that quote did you make any point other than that hybrids should constantly work to improve their performance and DPS. Nothing there indicates that hybrids can pump out the DPS, so that quote... was a pretty lame attempt to divert attention to draw credibility from an irrelevant quote.
It looks like your attempts to discredit my point have gone zero for four. I'm not sure why I would have to "try again later" when my original post clearly undercut your entire article. I just came back here to take another swing at your loot pinata and see if anything shiny fell into my hands.
PS - Anonymoose - I never said I was OP. I just said that you shouldn't give hybrids the green light to fall behind pure DPS classes. I gave an example of a handful of fights where a hybrid led the way against better geared players. I'm not claiming they're T6, but that a hybrid can still pump DPS if they aren't willing to accept this silly myth.
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4-14-2008 @ 10:35AM
Angus said...
I tend to be near the top of a meter in VR. I'm an enhancement shaman wearing 1 piece of mail and the rest is leather.
Fights where the ranged DPS doesn't have huge clear advantages I do very well. Fights where melee is not welcome (Prince) I tend to still do well enough to not feel bad though I suffer from the occasional bout of not paying attention syndrome which leads to premature death.
Thing is, I expect to be near those top dogs if I am gearing well. The rogues beat me on the meters for fights like VR by a small margin. Those fights I am making them go from about my normal DPS to their new one. Well, I still pump out about as much damage as a rogue so my spot is not a waste.
We can do it, we just need to stop wearing gear designed for a class with completely different needs and go with a class that at least doesn't waste points on stuff we don't want. I'll lose int and MP/5 any day of the week if I get more AP, crit and stam.
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5-25-2008 @ 12:23AM
Eternauta said...
@Matt, I think that when this article was written, it was asuming that a hybrid could never out-DPS a 'pure' class (mage, rogue, etc) IF BOTH HAVE THE SAME QUALITY GEAR/SKILL/CONCENTRATION/ETC...
I mean, a well geared Holy Pally can easily heal better than a Holy Priest with zero +intellect or +healing. But if both are well geared and played by similar skilled players, I think it's obvious that the priest will be higher than the pally on the healing metter.
But here's what this article is trying to explain: The quality of a healer or dps is not the same as it's position on the healing/dps metter. Maybe a Mage can easily out-DPS an Elemental Shaman, but he can't resurrect dead players, or drop totems that enhace the performance of the entire group. And he's more fragile than the shaman (who can wear mail, use a shield and heal himself if he has to). That can save the healers' mana for more appropiate situations, an thus, saving the party/raid a lot of problems.
In a few words: The best DPSer is not who tops the dps-metter, but who plays his class most effectively and according to the needs of the raid. That's what hybrids must understand, and non-hybrids too.
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