You missed the point. The attunment shows you have the skills to get the attunement (Which is why I agree with Matthew for the most part below, which I'll explain in a sec). It could be the attune to Kara, Bt or Suberuberadron from the sixth expansion - where isn't important, when isn't important. Showing your not a scrub who geared up by afking in bg's is though.

"The attunment shows you have the skills to get the attunement "

Read the part in the article about buying the attunement again, and try saying that sentence with a straight face.

Hey y'know, the next expansion after Wrath comes out 14-16 months from now, why bother waiting for Wrath when all your epics will be obsolete then?

"WotLK comes out probably 6-8 months from now. All of the material rewards become instantly obsolete when that happens. So forget the rings."

The best game in the world comes out 15 years from now. All of your experiences between now and then will be instantly obsolete when that happens. So forget playing WoW.

Srsly.

PeeWee: It seems my comment under Matthew's didn't post(Again..). Basically, I said there are reasons you don't get the attunement even when you earn it - from it bugging up, to not realising you'll be downing the boss and cleaning out your quest book earlier that day, to just plain it dcing you so you can't loot. In these cases, you've earnt the attunement but don't have it, so buying it to get it AGAIN is a reasonable method.

I do understand your point, though - it was also the first thing I though.

Calaana:

I'll give you attunement shows dedication, but its hardly an indicator of skill. An awful lot of my attunements really came from being in the right place at the right time more than anything.

I would disagree that earlier titles are not relevant at higher levels, they are probably the only things that remain. Like all the people who still go around displaying the old-style PvP titles.

Having said that, the system should be changed to reflect completing tiers, not attunements to new ones -- strangely there is no title for T6 and none known for the Sunwell.

good news for all of you crying about the epics becoming obsolete. Not as true as it was for burning crusade. In burning crusade we saw a huge buff in the amount of stamina provided by each piece of gear. Since in this new patch there is no plan for blizzard to massively overhaul the gear stats, the t5-t6 gear will not become obsolete until probably lvl 75-77 depending on class and gear rarity. so no need to cry over this crap. ALSO doing the endgame raids is not about getting shinny epics, yes that is one part of it but doing the content is simply that, progressing through the content, seeing the storyline unfold. Instead of being told, oh yah we killed kel'thuzad it was awesome, oh yah and blah blah blah. Being one of the storytellers is ALOT more fun than the person who read it on wowwiki, or heard it from someone else.

Thats exactly what I was thinking. How can you say you favor people who have the attunement done and how it shows dedication, but a few paragraphs later talk about how if you cant do it, buy it. Thats not dedication, thats deep pockets.

As a side note, having 4k gold to spend is not a show of dedication. With the dailies beforehand giving you 100g a day, and now having the limit bumped to 25 a day, That only shows that you are good at grinding mobs solo. Not a trait I'm looking for in our guild recruitment process.......

Sorry Adam, but I agree with Peewee and Matthew - buying an attunement means nothing about you as a player. It doesn't show anything about your skill or attitude. All it shows is that you were willing to do what it took to get gold and found someone to take it from you.

The TK attunement (the Trials series) is still something that's easy to do - only one raid needed, and only one Mag kill. I'd look askance at someone who wanted into a late T5 or T6 guild and didn't have it.

But the vials are a waste of time and if you're using them as a serious screening tool in your guild as we move past 2.4 you're being silly.

My guild used to sell attunements pre-2.4, not long after we cleared SSC/TK, and we never took anyone who didn't have decent gear and a recommendation. Vashj and Kael are fairly difficult, and everybody has to know what they're doing. So in that case people are still earning the title/attunement.

Sure, a T6 geared guild could run people through easily, and in that case I would agree that buying attunement means little as far as personal achievement. But that kind of guild probably isn't going to be selling attunements at this point - how many people would really take the time to go for a few badges, two vortexes, and no upgrades?

The single things you'll have with your char until you either quit WoW or it closes, are titles and maybe some hard to get tabard, like League of Arathor/Defilers or old-school Argent Dawn tabard that says alot about your char because you can't get it anymore.

So getting a title is worth the time, much more than any piece of gear. People who emphasize on gear, and think that gear is more important than the char you are playing are silly, and can't see the fact that gear comes and goes.

The title is for-ever linked with your char. Sure, you can hide it, but it's a game acomplishment, while having some tier piece is much less.

I only hope that Blizzard won't be to generous with titles in the future, otherwise titles will become common like guild names.