Don't forget the mortal strike-esque debuff.

Exactly. Not every druid does Arena. In all honestly I could really give a clefthoofs backside about it. 10 yards makes no difference to how I use the spell rarely in Battlegrounds.

Overall, it's a damn near useless CC and I have no idea why everyone cries so much about it. For the Raiding and PvE perspective. It lasts 6 seconds and suffers from diminishing returns 50%, 25% (6 seconds, 3 seconds, 1.5 seconds). How is that a useful CC when Polymorph can last up to 50 secs for a level 60 mage?

With the changes on swipe.
The new things the can bleed. (ellemintals, ghosts, exe...)
&
The plus wep damg from sharping stones working now
2.4 is going to be fun for Feral.

I sooo agree with you. I not only play a Druid, but a Warlock as well... Between Life Tap and Lifebloom, I'm flippin' tired. So pretty much gonna just roll over and take now :( I just don't have the energy for each thing that comes out in this patch...

Wow...You really think any of these changes will affect druids supremity in arena? I'll address each of your changes in order

- PVP set bonus massive nerf.
It also received a HUGE boost with a reduction in regrowth by 0.2seconds. Yes 15% speed reduction is a nerf, but nothing minor. You can still run away at 40% speed, a full 25% faster than any other classes talented speed.

- Lifebloom coefficient nerf.
7%. STUF already. This will hardly change PvP. This will change PvE. But it will not destroy Druids. It will take them down a notch from being the best single target healer to still the best single target healer. Eventually when +healing scales to high, this change will be reverted.

- Natural Perfection nerf.
Fully talented you'll take 4/8/12% less damage WHEN BEING HIT. Guess what, druids don't get hit much in arena until their partners are dead. Grats, this barely changes you. If your being Focused Fired, Go bear... Grats you still barely take any damage.

- Now this Cyclone nerf.
Cyclone fix. Fear is 20 yards. So is Cyclone. Now instead of getting to sit far in the back immune to any form of crowd control, you have to come into the game and be susceptible to the one form of crowd control that works against druids. Now when they fix druids so that you can't shift out of a polymorph (but are still immune if you were in animal form before the spell lands), then you will begin to understand what it was like to be everyone else in the game... Chain CC'd

Water Nerf.
Grats, you are still the supreme healer in arena thanks to this. 5 Seconds drinking is an eternity to any class without mobility and the ability to heal over time. You can load up your partner with a full stack of HoT's, go kitty, run, drink, regen and be back in the fight while the whole time your partner was still getting healed. Try drinking for 5 seconds as any class without your Heal over times abilitys and your mobility... Guess what, it won't happen.


As for PvE healing, the only change is lifebloom... And overall, your effectiveness is hardly reduced. You will still be the top healer in any raid (that isn't heavy on AoE damage)

OH HAHAHAHAHAHA.

0.2 seconds off regrowth cast time? HUGE BUFF?

WOW. JUST WOW.

Get the hell out.

Lifebloom coefficient nerf.

What warranted this PVE nerf? Did druids suddenly start massively outhealing paladins and priests? No, we weren't. A raid can go perfectly fine without a single druid, but doesn't work so well the other way around. Figure that one out. Nerfing for the hell of it is where this one came from.

Natural Protection nerf.

We also can't heal while in bear form. What do you suppose we do while we're in bear? Tank the DPS until we're low and suddenly magically heal everything back to full?

It must be nice to spew things out so thoughtlessly.

@ amasen

You might want to check your facts again. The Regrowth buff is not significant for Arena Druids, since Regrowth isn't used all of that often anyway, and .2 seconds is not huge to begin with. It's basically a consolation prize that was cannibalized from one of the old tier set bonuses.

As for the Lifebloom nerf, you're working with outdated information. It's a rather large nerf to the bloom at the end (20%, I believe), not a 7% nerf to the ticks like it once was. The 7% nerf would've hit PvE Druids hard, but would have barely touched PvP Druids. On the other hand, the nerf to the bloom effect is rather large. You're talking about a full couple hundred less points healed now per Lifebloom.

To be frank, you sound like you don't know what you're talking about at all. And again, Druids really aren't complaining about the Cyclone nerf anyway. I really don't see the need to rub salt in wounds when classes get nerfed, no matter how shallow you might perceive the wounds to be.

Single best single target healer? Meet paladins.

While I'm not the best Arena player I do play 3 classes in arena (mage/warrior/priest), with my priest hovering around 1800-1990 and my other two around 1600/1700-1800 (as my friends I play with aren't often on when I am)

In response to people:

Lifebloom: As someone above pointed out to me, the nerf is no longer 7% on the life, but 20% off the bloom. That is in fact a great change (but not a huge nerf). That brings the coefficient from 42.8% to 34.3%. Assuming a druid of about +1800 healilng gear (for arena), that will bring the final tick from 1370.4 down to 1217.4 or a reduction of about 150 (11%).

All in all, a fairly fair change as one of the strongest tactics to countering a druid is to dispel all his HoTs, and with scaling gear a final bloom becomes more and more deadly to dispel


In response to the 2 piece set bonus change:
"You might want to check your facts again. The Regrowth buff is not significant for Arena Druids, since Regrowth isn't used all of that often anyway"

Fact is, druids use this spell in arena. Fact is druids spec for improved regrowth (not all do, but about 50% on my battlegroup spec 4/5 imp. Regrowth). Druids use this spell. They have to. I run a rogue/priest team, and our main strategy is the warrior take down. My rogue opens on the warrior, and I pop trinkets and PI and lay it on the warrior. When the druid pops thanks to our positioning ourselves in a tight space, he will get CC'd within a second or two. With my dispel spam (that prevents ANY hot, or swiftmend), and the constant CC the druid receives at the beginning (Blind, fear, gouge, vanish+sap), the druid is eventually forced to try and get a direct heal on his warrior once he's used his natures swiftness. This is not theory craft I'm stating, but what druids eventually do in every match we have played against them (either win or lose).

With the changes to lifebloom (-150ish off the bloom), druids will find themselves having to use direct heals more and more whenever they face teams with dispels.


As for natural perfection I should have stated one thing first about it in my comments. In 2v2 the change matters not. In 3v3 it hardly matters either way. In 5v5 it is a huge nerf and stupid as that is where druids have very little success. In small scale arena it is very difficult to impossible to lock a druid down, while in large scale there are generally enough available stuns to do so.


"It must be nice to spew things out so thoughtlessly."

As I mentioned above I play with 3 classes in arena, one of which is a warrior who's team mate is a druid I've leveled from 1 -70 with. I love playing this team. My druid took a 4 month break and we he came back we started up arena again (my warrior with 350resilance, him with

Spammable is a bit exaggerating. If you want to make a proper argument, lay out the proper facts.

You cannot spam cyclone somebody. After the third cyclone, which lasts only 1.5 seconds, you're immune. A druid must wait for the diminishing return time to reset ( somewhere around 5-10 seconds ) before they can cyclone you again.

Given all its limitations currently, range reduction was the *only* thing they could do to this spell. And, I bet ya, it won't have any real impact in arenas.