I think that as one of the Hunter's major abilities it shouldn't be as it is right now. There should be at least an animation that is at least a little more subtle. I can't believe I'm actually defending the hunter class as I play as a mage and hate them since the removal of the deadzone >.<

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I have no idea how one would hide it...
Unless you, like, pretend you were drinking and then /say "Oh wait, I don't need to drink right now! Silly me!"

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It's very easy to interrupt the squat animation when trapping by simply moving while in the act of placing the trap. Your toon shows no 'trapping squat' animation and hopefully your target is non the wiser.

All this change does is make the game that much more dilluted and 'easier' to play. If Blizz keeps stealing addon ideas and incorporating them into the game then it's going to easy enough to play while watching Surviorman and eating dinner.

Trapping is the *ONE* thing we can do without being obvious about it, and now that looks like it's gone. Thanks Blizz. Guess I'll just keep leveling my Prot Pally to farm Black Temple and supply my other alts... can't stand to watch more fun get sucked out of the class I love..

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i think jumping is supposed to help

and also /kneel is good to scare people

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usually in the heat of battle when theres a rogue behind me or casters in fornt and i want to lay a trap i start jumping around and while in the air hit the trap button. its not completely stealthy but the majority of times it goes unnoticed.

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a NERF? Please.... First this will only matter to people who get addons developed to watch for this. Second... um, let's see you can hit me for a ton of damage, sic a pet on me too and trap me in a myriad of ways... And the fact that this is being added to the combat log is a serious concern?

I get that you want to conceal it and that it's an advantage, but crying about this much really does feel like QQ.

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There are two ways to sort of conceal the trap animation - one is to keep running while laying a trap, but all this does is make it look like youre sliding across the ground on your knee and doesnt really work unless your opponents have sucky latency. The other way is to bind "/kneel" to a button or macro, so that youre constantly kneeling (same animation as the laying trap animation), and throwing your opponents into a confusion over whether youre actually laying a trap or not.

Problem is, this new combat log change will basically TELL your opponent whether or you you've actually laid a trap, and what kind of trap it is, rendering the /kneel tactic worthless.

Earlier nerfs to traps gave it a delayed arming time, and increased its visibility so that those nearby will be able to see the trap. As you can imagine, what was once a strong PvP component of a hunter's repertoire is increasingly finding its way into the wastebin and off the action bars :(

Not fun for a class with a 50% or below representation across the board.

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QQ more, Hunters are imba, in fact, almost game-breakingly so.

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I've never much cared for Hunters either, but when they have serious class issues, such as having to use those macros with FD + Trap back in the day, I was fully in support of them getting the ability to use traps while in combat. Things like that made sense, and I fully believe that they should have had that capability earlier.

That said, I don't see why this is such a big deal or unfair in any way, especially considering the removal of the dead zone. If the person is close enough, I think that it should definitely show up in the combat log. Inclusion in the combat log is not a guarantee that the person will be aware of the trap anyway. The animation is really the most obvious giveaway, and I know that plenty of Hunters were using various animation tricks to make the trap animation virtually disappear.

Besides, there are already workarounds for it. Some addons track the mana of your target if it's a Hunter, and if they see that the mana goes down by an amount equal to the cost of a trap, it'll alert you that a trap has been placed. Since the information can already be gathered in game, it only makes sense for Blizzard to either disable that means of acquiring the information, or else legitimize it.

I equate it to the fact that Blizzard now allows us all to see talent specs in-game (even for the opposing side) and the fact that we'll be able to see gear for opponents in-game as of 2.4. Since that can all be acquired via the Armory already, they just chose to legitimize it.

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> As you can imagine, what was once a strong PvP component
> of a hunter's repertoire is increasingly finding its way
> into the wastebin and off the action bars :(

Let's all dream about it for a second...

...

... done. Now, back to the real world. Of course everyone and their pets will continue to use traps whether it's made obvious by the record in the combat log or not.

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I hope they change it, that kinda sucks, before you could see it at the animation, but that required a minimum skill...

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This is surely a nerf. You can argue that it will get buried in the combat log, but you know darn well that some disgruntled player will make a mod that says in big red letters that a freezing trap has been laid so that when they are chasing down a hunter in greens on their epic warlock they don't get away.
So, instead of regurgitating the same "QQ less"s you heard when your class got a nerf, why don't you go reroll or respec into one of the many classes/specs that can kill hunters?

BTW, the easiest way to hide a trap lay is to tap the left or right key as your kneel animation starts. It cancels it.

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I don't think it should say exactly which trap is being dropped, but they also shouldn't be able to drop traps without you knowing it while you're staring right at them. A simple "_____ has laid a trap" line in the combat log is fine.

Also, I think a very brief spell effect and sound effect added to the act of laying a trap wouldn't be out of line.

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I can see it now , the new Addon spammer.

Huge Bold letters across your screen.

HUNTER X LAYS A SNAKE TRAP

Ohh I better get the AOE ready.

Nerf is a nerf is a nerf.
Completely random and uncalled for. What in the hell is Blizzard doing??

Was this some huge staggering issue that needed adressed? I really think not. I am joining the side of the Tin Foil hat wearers in saying that Blizzard intentionally adds these things because some Dopey employee has a vendetta and cant figure out how to beat a snake trap or Freeze trap.

These are just too random and idiotic to be caused by anything else other than Kalgans Warrior hates getting trapped.

What an effin Joke this Dev team has turned into.

Please wont some company make a damn game I can enjoy so I can stop paying these morons.

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