Oh... those Iceblood turtlers...

..wait, what? That doesn't exist in my battlegroup. Most of the turtling? When we (Horde) go pretty much all offense (like most games), but instead of immediately losing when they run into our base untouched (Don't you wish FWK defended itself?), they spawn back up north (thanks SF cappers), and the collision at the SPGY bridge equals a turtle like no other.

And I always end up with no honor because I was staying down south on "defense".

Todd. If a player for they get kicked already. It's not the problem, because they simply start jumping. It's being able to tell they're afk jumping or spinning or whatnot. Not simple. become a programmer like me :P. If they start kicking out of the peace cave for being in there for so much time they'll just move somewhere else, so please dont suggest that next. There's a reason the afk problem hasn't been fixed yet.

Outside of that reply, getting rid of diminishing returns will only slow people down who need marks (i.e. my 6 alts that are all levelling and just want the low level rewards in which marks are much harder than the ~400 honor required. It was always a rallying cry to start actually capping the flag, the thought that they were no longer getting honor.

Even a system where you have to land just a single blow or a single offensive spell on someone before any honor could be gained would be helpful. Or have all the honor that you gain go into escrow until you do something offensive, at which point you gain it all. Even a healer could pop a SW:P on someone once a fight.

Umm.. then you get locked up by a rogue and 3 shotted because you have crappy gear.

Remember: not everyone is epic'd out and not everyone gets to play for X amount of minutes in fights.

If you had a stupid system that gives honor due to damage done or healing done, you would be screwing a lot of people.

Ex: Those that go to the front of the line and those who don't have the gear that are in the back that dismount and start to heal and a rogue gets on you and kills you.

Now you are back down south and running to get back to some action. Rinse and repeat.

This idea has been posted many times. I'm glad some people on these blogs do not make the bg rules...

What about the people that stick around the capped points to defend them. Arguably they are "doing nothing" but in reality they are keeping control and keeping the point cap rolling. But what if the enemy O just sucks and never comes? Do you release and go on O? No, because that's always when the enemy O sneaks up and assaults your base. Defense gets no credit.

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I think Matthew needs to rethink that a bit (to put it politely). That or explain what's wrong with having a system where you get honour if you heal someone who is in combat (or some variation of that) - that requires the same level of nonAFKness as casting an offensive spell anyway.

That also means people are less likely to defend if the opposing faction isn't in view. They'll stand around for 10 seconds or less and say "screw this, I'm not getting honor just standing here" and run off, so 3 minutes later when the army of horde get to Stormpike GY, it's undefended.

My thoughts exactly, as if I don't avoid it like the plague now, post 2.4 forget about it.

I mean, if it's not a problem now I don't think it will be after this change.

It was really annoying at first when you always played on the same server against the same people. Now with the mixed servers, you tend not to kill the same people over and over. You get different ones as you queue up.

No kidding, Iceblood is where the Horde defends. It's not "turtling" just because you can't kill us and cap.