So the allies in the Rampage battle group tend to dominate wsg ab and eots to the point where eots is a joke, you'll spawn and they simply wait below for you and gank you. Any horde on Cho'Gall will tell you the same thing. BUT we shine in AV, I think it's the horde mentality. No catch and hold just a long road of slaughter, it's awesome when you think about it 30 or so horde taurens, trolls, blood elves, orcs and undead mounted on all types of beasts hauling ass down the valley demolishing everything and winning! Every time it's a win. Even though they can take wsg and ab and eots THEY COULD NEVER TAKE OUR AV!!!! But then it happened... the alliance of the Rampage battle group has been boycotting AV battle ground 9 despite complete dominance in the other 3 bg's as a result the queue for AV is now about an hour and a half with no signs of slowing down. They simply turtle the whole thing and have been doing so since before Christmas. I'm sure you think I'm just QQing and that's fair enough but I can't count how many times I've lept from the rock in eots to be met by a premade down below waiting for me or ran across the wsg field and getting slagged by another group of allies and getting slagged by the same allies again because they're spawn camping. I miss my av... the only bg that we stood a chance in and the allies want that too.

I feel you pain my rampage battle group brother. I have been puging ABs and eots the last few days. I really need some AV marks and the Alliance refuses to play. Don't they rem the days of Horde getting crushed over and over because of 1 GY advantage? Now we have some balance and Horde are actually winning. So they stop because its unfair. I say Blizzard group more AV servers of battle groups together. This will show the alliance they can not push you around.

This was originally supposed to be about the AFKer problem and has turned into a QQ contest about which faction rules which BG's.

For AFKERs, the debuff should actually boot the person from the BG and give them a traitor debuff that keeps them from joining a BG for 24 hours. Problem solved.

For the QQing about who wins what the most. I recently transfered from Area 52 to Quel 'Dorei. I am now in a new Battle Group as a result. On Area 52, that Battle Group seems to have a better win it and hold it mentality and had a 60-40 ally win average in the AB and EoS. but a 40-60 win/loss in AV and WSG. now i have seen a drastic difference in the Battle Group that Quel 'Dorei is in. AV is 80-20 win for the Ally's, while AB, EoS, and WSG is 20-80 win/loss for ally's.

Basically, it depends on the mind set of your Battlegroup. I dont see where any BG is really tipped in one sides favor. It's all about the team work of that side in that BG.

I still want to delete someone else's toon on my team when they are fighting on the raod way away from the towers or the flag on EoS. Drives me nuts that they can't understand the simple dynamics of that BG.

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Point is.... I haven't seen AV since late November and since the afk problem lies mostly in there, as far as I'm concerned there is no afk problem there's an ally whining and screwing everyone over problem since they can't get honor they've decided no one will. I've held a pretty healthy respect for the allies in my battle group, especially my server where they're outnumbered it seems like they're all good at pvp and with good reason, (even though i'm begining to think half of them are ne male wars with full s2) I mean most people horde side will tell you trying to get 3 people to STAY at mine is almost impossible but now that the only place horde could reliably get honor is being boycotted, what's the point?

Your realm has nothing to do with it. BGs have been grouped by 'Battlegroups' or collection of realms for quite some time.

In reality, people aren't boycotting anything. With the changes made, it's almost pointless for some people to participate in particular BGs. 0-40 honor 8 times out of 10 for 45 minutes of participation? These people are queuing elsewhere, not actively boycotting.

The problem with this idea (and exactly why Blizz will NEVER do this) is that it's waaaaay too easy to be exploited by asshats.

You and 10 of your friends all queue up at the same time, find some poor schmuck you don't like (or just some random Joe), and get them removed.

I can see the forum posts already.

Jasperwind...

That wasn't something a player did. If you are away from the keyboard for an extended period of time you go into AFK (same if you type /AFK). If you go active in a BG you are kicked by the game engine.

I just don't believe that this "Alliance is losing in AV" problem is real. It works fine in every other battlegroup. The real problem is that the Alliance in your battlegroup have a defeatist attitude, so of course they're going to lose more often.

Want to see it done right? Transfer to a Cyclone battlegroup server. Queues are almost always less than 3 mins (at least for Horde) and you win about 50% of the time.

The problem isn't AV. The problem is the players.

Well I've had to nip off rarely for real life events, so while I do hate afk'ers I guess you have to allow for a couple of afk's a day. In you case if you got back to pvp someone you could just remove the debuff and get on with the battleground as you didn't need to quit. And even the deserter debuff is a gentle 15 minutes anyway so its no big deal.

My real bone is with the leechers of course, losing in AV is extra painful now with the lack of honour if you cannot defend/assault, and watching 11 nerds sitting in a cave who could have made a difference really annoys me.

Now what I would like here is the option to report and also to add them to my ignore list automatically if thats the third afk in a day. I'd need a bigger ignore list, and I'd also need the old AV back where it was a local server event, but I bet afk'ers wouldn't be so keen to welfare their epics.

wow, thank you for being rational about this. This is really one of the very few posts from a horde perspective that acknowledges that a loss today isn't the same as a loss pre 2.3

If your AVs last more than 20 minutes, then ur doin it rong.

Yep, excellent response from the horde side. As an Alli player who actually really enjoys AV I hate what it's become; 30 minutes of people complaining about how much Alli suck, taking a loss and 60 honor. That is awful so I don't do it any more.

On Cyclone, our AVs last 10-20 minutes max, and both sides have a good chance of winning. Mostly we go offense, but sometimes we have defensive game. The winning team gets around 500 honor, the losing team around 250 honor. It's fairly win-win for both sides.

The reason why Alliance is not going to AV on some battlegroups is that the Horde are crushing them defensively. Stop crushing them and they'll come back, play more O and everyone wins and has a good time.

Just a suggestion.