I would like to get an 1850 personal rating as well. Just to prove to myself that I could do it. I've never gotten higher than 1650, so i've got a ways Oo.

I started to PvP alot at the end of season 2. So I only have 1 peice of arena gear (merc chest), and the only honor item i have is my insignia. But soon (2 weeks!) I will have the pvp waist and s2 shoulders to completly replace my primal mooncloth set (which has 0 stam), and break 100 resilience and 9k hp unbuffed. Huzzah!

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Oh, I'm also with you on the respeccing part. Being a holy priest, the two cookie-cutter specs for PvP and PvE are very different, but i realized after tooling around for awhile its very possible to get a good mix! You just have to be willing to make sacrifices.

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I don't feel the need to get a high rating, mainly because, well, I'm just not that good of a PvPer. Haha. I'm very casual about arenas, though we do try. We always have around a 1500 rating by the end of the season. We don't entirely slack off.

Also, I got my merciless weapon and shoulders already, so I'm not in a huge rush to upgrade. This season I want to finish getting into all epics. I need gloves and legs. A better chestpiece (currently s1). And also some of the honor rewards for ring, neck, trinket, and relic slots. My hope it to go into the next expansion very well-geared. :D

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I'm only newly 70, so arenas are laughably impossible for me in my mixed blues and greens. I'm happy that I can purchase old arena gear with battleground honor - that way I can earn my gear with teamwork and cleverness that maybe make up for my mediocre (+620 spell, fire mage) gear.

Being a new 70 is a tough place to be... high expectations, and not a lot of resources with which to meet them right away.

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My goal for season 3 is to find a single person anywhere that still wants to run instances. These welfare epics have completely killed PvE. All anyone does now is farm honor for 3 days so they can get a piece of gear that's better than most stuff that drops in Kara. And they're guaranteed to get it, no rolling, no hoping the right thing drops, no requirements that you even have any skill.

Oh, you can't get the weapons or the shoulders? Cry me a river in your other 9 epics that you can get by being horrible at this game. I'm so freaking sick of seeing people strutting around with their two new "purpz" when half their gear is greens, they picked the healing S1 gear, they're feral spec, but didn't bother to take feral charge. I swear to god I saw that today. That's a person that would be laughed out of any party, but he has the same gear that others with skill worked their butts off for to have the absolute best 6 months ago. Now they are scaling up the PvP gear and giving away what used to be the best, but the gear from raiding is exactly what it used to be. There is no point to raiding anymore.

Way to kill your own game, Blizz. Grats.

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WTF is up with this 'Welfare Epic' QQing crap, u guys are just getting angry that people are getting epics and you guys had to raid for weeks and weeks to get your T4/T5, and some guy gets a similar piece for almost no effort. PvE doesnt require skill because all yo do really is press 3 buttons. PvP on the other hand is the latter. I think its good that Blizzard did this. The reason for my opinion is that we all subcribe to this game and should all be geared more or less equally. None of this 'I raid BT, im better than u!" nonsense.

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One of the problems I'm seeing in the near future is with the lack of any tanking gear obtainable from PvP, seeing that the only 2 specs that are not viable in PvP are prot pally and prot warrior, it's still super time consuming to gear up a tank to do PvE raid content.

It's super easy now to spend a few hours a week to get DPS ed out with crazy epics but all of the tank gear is still in the 5 mans, raids and buyable for high numbers of badges (assuming you get around 15 from a kara clear, and run a few heroics, it'll take a month to buy the 75 badge chest). I was already *partially* established with my gear from having hit 60 a few months ago and running instances, but someone new wouldn't be able to step up as easily with most of the DPS I've seen this week. And the tanking drops from heroics aren't much of an upgrade.

At least healers get good gear.

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@6

I just read all of your posts...................you assume that the only people in the world are raiders or you're hated PvPers.

There are still us casuals out there. Oh, and we outnumber all of you. I'll spec however I damn well feel like speccing and I can care less how you think about it. Its a game. Once its not fun, its useless.

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People who care that much about this game shud be shot.

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with the new personal ratings in place, these "welfare" epics are gonna be a bit harder to farm, since u have to play all 10 of ur games and can't just play 3 games and switch in a geared friend or whatever. should be alot more interesting, on mal'ganis everyone and their grandma has gladiator gear now, so either its more healthy competition or just annoyingly long queue times.

and i respec once a week, 100g a week. it seems like a huge blow but a pvp spec and a pve spec are totally different and will increase ur performance many times over. however...skill > everything.

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I do raid BT and I do my battlegrounds. As a main tank PvP epics are laughable, only the shield can get my attention.

We usually do our 5v5 arena team, sticking around 1800 rating with pve gear ;) Well at least the S3 start made us gain a lot of resilience ;)

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Well, I've been WOWing for over two years now and have never, ever PVPed in any sense of the word.

Part of me would love to get into arenas but, you know what? I haven't got a clue about them. I'd love to know how to get started, what the deal is and all that but it's bloody hard to find a dummies guide anywhere and, I suspect, being a holy priest (even in epics) isn't the most useful thing.

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I already have a plan for my arena/pvp points, i already have Merci glad shoulders from last season so I'm just starting to get back into pvp, and I have both the wartiger and warhorse so that was a waste of tokens >.<

-Merci glad helm
-Vengeful Glad Chest
-Vengeful Glad Gauntlets
-All the Vindicators
-Gladiators warstaff
-Talisman of the Alliance
Grinding 10K+ Arena points, 60K+ Honor, and 150+ Marks
is going to take awhile

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Two Words...Warlock Wings

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I l love how they're called "welfare epics" even though they take a lot of skill, dedication, and intelligence to get. Unlike raids where people can not carry thier own wieght and get epics, that doesnt fly in arena. People who call them welfare epics must've earned thier other epics by fighting static bosses in raids that never do anything different at all. That sounds difficult.

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