First there was dot shock. Then there was a new PTR build, and for a time, all was peaceful. Now, witness the birth of a new era of Shaman protest: re-rolling. Yes, the Shaman forums are abuzz with posters pledging to re-roll any class but Shaman, on Auchindoun, Horde side. And yes, they have named their guild none other than <Dude Wheres My Shaman>. I'll forgive them the lack of an apostrophe, if only because I really like the movie.To be honest, I don't have enough Shaman experience to know much about the issues here. But I do know a neat idea when I see it, so I logged on to Auchindoun with a newly-minted, creatively-named character, and conducted a very fun group interview with all the ex-shamans there to find out what they were so riled up about. Chat log after the cut (edited for length and grammar -- there was a lot of them, and they were more than happy to talk).
Eliahhecht: OK guys. So, why are you here?
Donakora: I'm here because I want to make a statement to Blizzard.
Fynal: our way to tell blizz they f-d up
Xur: the constant nerfs are just too much and in fact I am waiting on warhammer
Donakora: That silence revert issue is a step in the right direction- But it's far from solving all of our problems.
Donakora: I mean, look at enhancement for god's sake.
Solid: yes all trees need to be raid viable, with the implementation of 2.3. elemental will be obsolete for raiding
Xur: I pay money every week to see the guy I played with for 2 years be set back time and again
Eliahhecht: OK, so what would make you guys happy with the class again?
Eliahhecht: or is it too late at this point?
Donakora: Balance. Just make us bring something to the table that actually sets us apart.
Fynal: totems....gah
Siar: For PvP it's an issue of control
Humnpaladin: Enh to not rely on luck, Ele changes to be reverted, totem system overhaul.
Xur: STOP nerfing DPS, and do not lie about simple math that proves the new Lightning Overload mechanics are a buff
Siar: Totems are immobile, costly, and too many of the best ones are in the same totem tree
Makaveli: and enhancement shamans need a move other then the pvp trinket to get rid of snares/CC, or a CC
Bffeynoix: shamans are currently the only class with out a snare/stun/some way of getting distance in pvp
Siar: It's extremely hard to get groups as any other spec than resto
Donakora: To put it simply, group PvP in this game is about CC and Anti-CC right now. That's simply the way it is. All of the best classes in arena have CCs.
Eliahhecht: So as far as PvE goes, your perception is that all three trees are beaten by other classes?
Clingy: yes, i'll drink to that
Siar: I'd say Resto is the one on par with others
Eliahhecht: Are Shamans in a worse place now than, say, 2.1, or pre-BC?
Makaveli: they could actually contend with the best before BC
Donakora: Before BC, our chain heal mechanics brought something absolutely amazing raid viability
Eliahhecht: Alright, let's see...Mike informs me that Warriors tried something similar, with this whole rerolling thing, and got in trouble for that. Are you worried?
Octo: no
Donakora: [The warriors] crashed the server. We're doing nothing against the ToS.
Humnpaladin: i'll eat a month long ban to see shammies get buffed
Xur: that is part of the problem here ... we PAY [Blizzard] ... and we get crapped on time and again ... I understand you have to cater to the majority but damn...
Eliahhecht: Oh, here's one. Do you think Blizz did anything wrong with their forum moderation during the whole dot-shock thing? I've heard conflicting stories.
Siar: I think a few threads got caught in the crossfire, but...
Abnormality: i got banned for actually proposing a new DoT
Siar: I think they just need to read a little more carefully and moderate specific posts
Makaveli: and talk to the shaman community more and stop lying to us
So there you have it. The reason the re-rollers are re-rolling. What do you think? Do they have a point? Will you be joining them? As of when I logged off, they had over 250 members, and more were joining every few minutes.
[thanks, Smacks]
Edit: The good folks at the Shaman forums would like me to post their summary of the issues as an alternative viewpoint. Elbera puts it as follows:
Elemental DPS is being nerfed despite being told 2.3 would be a buff, it is only a buff to undergeared players, which seriously will hurt Elementals raiding viability. All the 41 point talents are currently dispellable, which severely limits their usefulness.
Enhancement is currently unable to close gaps in pvp against classes that can kite, short of using a trinket cooldown. Warriors, Rogues, and Feral druids (melee) all have ways of closing the distance to a class. ALL shaman specs are currently able to be locked down by stuns and any form of CC for the entire duration of a fight, and all their spells are in one tree with the exception of 2 shocks.
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Reader Comments (Page 1 of 5)
11-07-2007 @ 6:07PM
Juneau said...
So just a load of shamans QQing?
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11-07-2007 @ 6:12PM
Heii said...
To #1, I'm sure you'd be QQing heavily if you scaled DOWN from 60-70.
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11-07-2007 @ 6:15PM
Argent said...
welp, there you have it/ mark this day as the day shaman surpassed paladins as the most emo class in WoW.
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11-07-2007 @ 6:15PM
Spenda said...
Shamans are OP
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11-07-2007 @ 6:15PM
evolute said...
They're doing nothing but pissing off the residents of Auchindoun. This crusade of theirs is totally ridiculous.
Take your mass QQ elsewhere, re-rollers.
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11-07-2007 @ 6:18PM
freddy_loser said...
@3 LMAO
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11-07-2007 @ 6:19PM
Giolon said...
@ #2, what you mean like mages with the mage tax? (finally repealed, yay!)
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11-07-2007 @ 6:19PM
Humnpaladin said...
Heh, #5 must be in RA, the only people that have been yelling at us in game have been from the top horde guild and top guild on the server,funny how that works, i think they just want more alliance to gank.
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11-07-2007 @ 6:20PM
Humnpaladin said...
No, it's to make a statement, we are rerolling for good here, i personally have deleted my hyjal/SSC/TK geared shaman. I'm here to stay because they broke the shaman class. No, we weren't nerfed, we are dieing because of a lack of buffs. Now what pushed us to do this is mainly the changes in 2.3 and blizzard CM's lying to us, while the EU CM's acknowledge they were wrong, we were told that ele changes were goin to be a buff, yet it is a nerf for anyone who has more than 250 spell damage, and only really a buff for resto.
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11-07-2007 @ 6:20PM
Bart said...
Stop playing the game then. Jesus a bunch of crybabies. If I don't like warcraft I wont play it. I quit for a while myself, because I wasnt happy with it. I didn't QQ and whine like these people do, theres other things to life than playing Warcraft. If I don't like a food in a certain restaurant I wont eat there. I wont go and whine to the owner/chef to change the menu just for me. You want to make a game with 8 million people playing, and satisfy everyone? Go ahead and try. Crybabies
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11-07-2007 @ 6:21PM
Rob said...
I really like my resto Shammy. I've tried to play Elemental or Enhancement a couple times and it was pathetic. You're MUCH better off rolling a rogue or mage then playing those trees. I think Resto still has a lot to offer though.
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11-07-2007 @ 6:21PM
doogan said...
How does re-rolling affect Blizzard again?
Oh noes you are levelling another toon while still paying us money......
Oh yeah, Blizzard doesnt care what class you play.
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11-07-2007 @ 6:21PM
Aeellron said...
Just my 2c, I play a 70 enhance shm on crushridge, horde, and i'm well geared, maybe that's the only reason, but I routinely do just fine when stacked up against other classes. armory me if you like =P
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11-07-2007 @ 6:22PM
Spenda said...
For the record re-rolling doesn't teach Blizzard anything. You are protesting their game by continuing to play it. Sounds like they still win their $15/month, and you still lose.
That said, stop whining and go enhancement like they want you to.
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11-07-2007 @ 6:25PM
Wulfhere said...
A lot of shaman problems come from the fact that, unless they go resto, no one will bring them. No one cares about the viability of their DPS, the totem buffs, etc etc... no one cares. They want someone to CC a mob, and they'll take a mage who can barely play his class but who knows where the polymorph key is over a well skilled shaman every time.
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11-07-2007 @ 6:26PM
Spenda said...
@9:
Lol @ you. When Blizzard caves to all the Shaman whining like they have with every other class you will have to cry about your overreaction.
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11-07-2007 @ 6:28PM
evolute said...
Cry babies with false bravado. LOL.
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11-07-2007 @ 6:30PM
mizatt said...
Haha he actually deleted his TK shaman? What an idiot
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11-07-2007 @ 6:30PM
Prox said...
@10 We're not quitting because we still like to play WoW. And we're not whining and crying, instead we're making an organized statement that shamans just aren't needed right now.
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11-07-2007 @ 6:32PM
Epiny said...
Alot of your complaints are shared by other classes. Very few, if any class, can raid or PvP in all 3 talent trees. Heck most can only Raid or PvP in on specific build.
You HAVE alot of what you were complaning about, snares through totems. You are just unhappy with it. It's a QQ, maybe you have a good reason but still a QQ.
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