The uproar is also that Ele DPS was changed and Blizz claimed it would result in the same dps over all. Shaman's ran the numbers and proved that they now did less DPS.

These posts were deleted and the accounts suspended.

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Obviously the author of this article doesn't play a Shaman. No other class recieves constant PvP nerfs patch after patch - they're finally fed up enough to risk being banned.

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to #2........Obviously you don't play a warlock. You want to talk about constant pvp nerfs........dont get me started.

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i myself being a 70 shaman, i am completely and utterly discouraged at blizzard's consistant ignorance of the class...even when they are reviewing the class and saying they are "buffing it" they ignore hundreds of good ideas from the community...elitist jerks forums about shamans provided a great point regarding the nerf to the shaman dps...shaman's old lightning bolt/chain lightning ran 3.0 and 2.5 seconds untalented, with 2.0 and 1.5 talented...mages and warlocks complained that for the samd 5 points, shamans got an entire second off their casts, while they only got 0.5...the difference is that the shamans is a 26-30 points into the tree for the 5 point talent, whereas mages and locks require 5 points only, as it's a tier1 talent, thus why the shamans claimed theirs was even, as it required a much larger investment into the tree...i think the earth shock thing, while a huge nerf (as shamans were told a long time ago that we did not get CC due to our interrupt being only 6 second cooldown) in a sense that it is the ONLY way to interrupt...warriors still have MS to reduce healing, mace stun, and a fear...mages have poly still...warlocks have death coil and 2 fears...rogues have blind, gouge, kidney shot, hunters have scatter shot, etc etc...shamans ONLY form of limited control over a fight was earth shock, now it's utterly useless, especially in a group setting

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Man, this has started to be a QQ my class gets nerfed, no QQ my class gets nerfed more thread

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They're absolutely justified. I have zero doubt that the main purpose for this change was to reduce the effectiveness of heavy dps teams that simply rely on chains of interrupts like counterspell and spell lock to keep a healer out of the action. But as a side effect, it destroys the viability of earthshock, a 2 second interrupt. earthshock's only strength was how frequently it could be used, but with this change, teams arent going to want shamans to use it much at all: it'll cut the duration of counterspells in half. its a very big, very stupid nerf for a class that doesnt need any.

iapetes, 70 paladin, laughing skull

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@3

Wow, obviously you're new to lock... Lock's weren't always the OP gods they are thought of today.

And, shamans have been getting the nerf-stick constantly and consistently for as long as I can remember. Some justified, but I feel they are getting a little over zealous these days.

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So shamans will actually have to start thinking about which shock button they spam, and when they do it? Boohoo.

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I see what you did there.

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this was the last straw on the camel's back

For years many shaman players have provided well thought out feedback on aspects of the class. Yet every time shamans are promised some attention they get nerfed (patch 2.1), sometimes mixed with buffs (like 2.3 and the class review) but never just 'fixed' or buffed.

Furthermore, the lack of response from the Blizzard CMs on these posts is sickening and the major cause for the '.' campaign. IF they do read those well thought out and written posts they request and they do pass them on to the developers why cant they flag the thread as acknowledged and forwarded?

Is it that hard to hit 'Reply' and type "I have passed this on to the Developers, thank you'

Its not and thats the major cause for unrest like this in every class at some point.

Shamans are the least played at lvl 70, given fewest raid spots as dpsers, have lowest survivability and the only class with 41 point talents which are 'removable' (dispellable spells and a 5hp totem)

They need fixes NOT nerfs

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If shamans went away I don't think anybody would notice. I remember when I first started this game three years ago and hearing how OP shamans were and people would QQ about them all the time.

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first earth shock shuts down caster 2seconds shaman 1.5 seconds

second ES shuts down caster 1s shaman 1.5s

third ES shuts down caster .5s shaman 1.5s

Working as intended?


Also for all you other people who have never played a shaman this is the ONLY ONLY ONLY interupt the shaman has...lets look at the other classes:

Mage- CS, Poly, Stun

Warlock- Pet Stun, Pet silence, AOE stun, AOE dot dispell silence, Fear, Instant Fear, Dcoil....all depending on spec but at least 3

how about others
hunter- Scatter, Silence, Pet stun, Pet silence, Ice trap.....

Rogue- Oh please do we even need to go here
Warrior- Hell they got a bunch and even a proc off a weapon...any mace weapon...even ones that have their own stun proc....

drooids- well they are closer to shaman, kitty stun, bear stun, cyclone cyclone cyclone....





Funny how they never banned those ret pally post, threat pally post......

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You mean I may actually be able to get a spell off now in the Arena with the double shaman's in all the teams I fight. Oh no!!

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"The uproar is also that Ele DPS was changed and Blizz claimed it would result in the same dps over all. Shaman's ran the numbers and proved that they now did less DPS. These posts were deleted and the accounts suspended."

You know what?

There are way too many other new games out now or coming out this month for Blizzard to think they can just take a huge dump on their player base.

So, no soup for Blizzard.

I suspended my account and let them know why. That is the *ONLY* language these people will ever understand.

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@1 - if true, WoW Insider should investigate and report on that.

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Oh wow, give me diminishing returns on frost shock over this change to earth shock ANY day.

Talk about an unjustified nerf.

My earth shocking plus grounding totem has been my only chance and the main reason why I was able to take down most pallies as long as my timing was right. I'd use it over a stupid frost shock with or without diminishing returns.

I'm open to talk rationally about it as the others above have said, but it's such a low blow that I don't even know if Blizz cares.


Wow and Ouch


70 Resto Shaman.

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More shaman issues, seemingly ignored by the CMs/Devs
(in no particular order)

Gear Itemisation - terrible for elemental and even worse for enhance (hunter mail is NOT good enough)

Elemental DPS nerf - consensus on the shaman forums from GOOD data and extensive testing is somewhere between 5-15% LESS damage, we were told it would at the least be a 0% change if not a buff

Susceptibility to CC - the game is heavily biased around CC, if the devs dont want shaman to hav CC (since they gave druids our CC aka Cyclone) we need more ACTIVE anti-cc measures not hoping the stick in the ground will pulse in time or is off it's cooler - this is especially devastating to Enhance shaman

Superfluous Talents - there are talents which shamans must choose that are essentially useless, it is that the trees are bloated they just hav a lot of crap we need to get thru to reach the decent talents, especially in Enhance and Elemental trees

Poor scaling - at BlizzCon 07 it was stated by a Blizzard Presenter that shamans had scaled badly from 60-70 and it was something they would look in to. Well they havent, 2.3 has addressed very little issues regarding our scaling. The havent buffed a single totem since 2.3 release (stoneclaw does NOT count nor does extra duration on mana/health totems)

Totem system - most unreliable buffing system in the game, it is static and can be removed by a lvl 1 toon and their melee weapon, couple this with totem reliability issues such as the pulsing totems.

As u can see our PvP viability is our greatest concern and not our PvE, because we hav adapted and accounted for our inadequacies for PvE but reached our limits in PvP some time ago

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what happened on the forums was not just about the dr. It was the straw that broke the camel's back. After being ignored for so long, then promised buffs and getting only mediocre buffs and nerfs, with zero explanation, the shaman said screw it. And to the warlocks posting, yes you've gotten nerfed, but you're still a strong class and completely viable in both pvp and pve.

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