I always wanted permanent death on some servers. I always like the hardcore setting in Diablo why not bring that to WoW? Though it would probably be impossible to raid on a hardcore server.

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It sure would shut up the hardcore players complaining that a carebear game is well too carebear...

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From an old debate: Any game which depends on the internet for its reliability has no place permanently taking away all your stuff. Period. Next question?

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Lag death FTL anyone?

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I wouldn't go for it personally, penalties for death I think just gets in the way of playing. One of the reasons I quit playing City of Heroes was the loss of XP every time I died, working off the debt was a huge pain. This idea seems more like something people could do amongst a group of friends, sort of a gentleman's agreement that if they die and don't get rezzed they'll start over.

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Remember UO?

When you die, you lose all your stuff if there's another player around to take it.

Seems harsh? If you die to PVE, your body could still be unlooted. In PVP, your buddy can loot you if possible.

If you lose all your stuff? Make sure you have a backup set. Then kill somebody else for their things. This was the best PVP ever.

Asheron's Call had a good system also. You die = the most expensive thing in your bag is available for looting. The higher your level, the more things dropped. This was very fun as well.

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I'd certainly roll an alt or three on a hardcore server

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An interesting idea. If you could keep your rep with factions as well it may be an idea that I would consider for some servers. This sort of idea I'm all for as long as there's an option to not deal with it.

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Wouldn't that system give Warlock and Shaman an unfair advantage, considering both have an ability to self rez?

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Take away the 30 minute time limit, and I'm all for it.

You die; you need someone to res you.

(Unless of you're a shaman, have that darkmoon deck, or had soulstone up.)

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I do think that death penalties should be harsher for sure, but isn't an MMO with permadeath just a normal video game?

I'm sure I read a psychological article (that I agree with) that said the unique appeal that made MMOs what they are is the fact that you have a permanent entity. Everytime you log on you advance a bit more, you form a relationship with your characters, it keeps you hooked.

If that character got dumped every couple of days and you had to start again from scratch... erm... then aren't we just talking about Ghosts 'n' Golbins with 9mil players? And wouldn't you bore of it just as quickly?

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I don't know anything about the guy, but it would seem he has no life, or he never plays mmropg's.

No way could someone that has leveled to 70 accept a permadeath penalty.

Go play Counterstrike or Half-life please.

One of the biggest attractions that I've noticed about the game is the no death penalty (unless you choose to rez at gy) This just makes sense to me, you can play the game and have fun with no worries of losing this or that.

I remember playing asheron's call, what a hassle it was to die. While some may say it makes the game more challenging... I don't agree. I would spend so much time burning off Vitea and trying to get back to my corpse, that it completely ruined the game for me.

Some might say, "well, quit sucking", but once you've died due to lag, computer crash, or server problems, you'll change your attitude. Because the game's code isn't forgiving on these problems. How does it know you are lagging? Or that your power just went out at your house.

What a horrible idea this guy has. This must have just been something to get crap started, or he was just bored. Please use your time and your brain in positive ways, not to just suggest random acts of idiocracy.

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I personally prefer how EVE has implemented death penalties with the clone contracts, insurance and pods.

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I don't like permanent death, but I like the idea that you can loot player bodies in PVP and get a piece of their gear.

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Aside from soulstones and shaman self-rez, this would make playing WoW on my wireless basically a non-starter. I wouldn't even try it.

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A 50g repair bill after a night of wiping in TK is enough of a death penalty. kthnxbye.

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If WoW did this, it would die the permadeath. Sure, a small percentage of folks would love this. But most of the people who play WoW would hate it and would leave the first time they saw it. I would have.

People keep asking why WoW is so sucessful and one of the reasons is that there AREN'T a lot of barriers and frustrations like this. Look how much complaining there is about the difficulty of levelling now. "Oh, it takes so long... " Now add in permadeath.

Silly idea from a person who doesn't get why WoW has 9M subscribers.

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Although the idea of permadeath would raise the lvl of the game for some, I'm more intrigued with Cap'n Jack's first idea...there would be a lot of fun in creating epic raids to retake towns you've lost to the enemy...and it would give all those who joined in a large scale raiding experience that they might not have had before...

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If anybody want this implemented so badly, you could just take it upon yourself for your death punishment. Immediately logout and type "DELETE" into the box. Congrats, you are now hardcore.

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I'm sure that a certain percentage of users would welcome this change, or a single server that used it at least. However, the vast majority of players would hate it, myself included. In fact, as soon as I became unlucky enough to lose a character through permadeath, I would likely just quit the game.

Which is why it will never be implemented; Being cut off from the game by having the character removed upon permadeath is basically a great time to quit the game completely. So Blizzard would never implement this, not being morons.

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