Thus, the age of Honor Farming comes to an end.

No more will players be able to gain 9k honor in one day without really putting in any effort.

Finally PvP gear will start to gain a little of the prestige that they had in the old days, under the old honor system.

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Wow, those are some big changes, I'm surprised I haven't seen more about it. Reinforcement count should be cool, but theoretically could make it possible to cause your own faction to lose sooner by dancing naked in front of the opposing faction.

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Hehehe, soooo, dear hybrids, if you want to play AV please spec for healing in order to keep the real DPS classes alive. And maybe they should restrict access to holy paladins and warriors only, because these two classes aren't so easy to kill. Sounds funny =)

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I think the Alliance will almost never win again, because of the increased team play required to win in these new conditions.

Hmm.. I'm sorry because the elites will be removed.. it was fun fighting them.

Linking the warmasters and generals sounds bad.. they are already overpowered, so it will be very hard to kill them if grouped.

AV will take longer and will be harder to win, considering the newbies that enter it and have no clue on what should they be doing. They will wipe and will help the Horde win, because most newbies are Alliance.

I think it was great as it was - it could have lasted 2 hours or 15 mins.

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its a bit early to add major changes like this so soon after adding an apparently successful anti-afk feature

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So much for av then, it might be worth a fun game or two but then its pretty much pointless again.

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@4 I think the idea behind linking the Warmasters and Generals is to stop the zerg rush to the general, which is currently ruining AV. Now we are more obliged to take out the towers on the way and stick with each other rather than one of the problems I have sometimes encountered where the frontrunners get too far without graveyards in between leading to a long strung out line of players being picked off before they can get into the think of things.

I am looking forward to this as I think AV should be the slowest BG of the 3 whereas WSG is currently more likely to drag out if one lot or other turtles.

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And now we return to the 5+ hour AVs as people sit back so they don't lose their reinforcements by charging in.

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I loved the older Alterac and the long battles

and theses changes seems to be great : more strategy, more fight between players, death to zerg!

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What's this?! A return to the pitched battles of yesteryear as factions clash outside strategic points on a map? It cannot be!

I recently got a brand spanking new 24" iMac, 2.8Ghz Dual Core Extreme, 4GB of RAM. The resolution is 1900x1200. I set my camera to a 50 yard zoom and panned out in Alterac Valley last weekend, watching the Alliance and Horde armies dash towards each other climactically on the field of strife. It was like watching Lord of the Rings, for a brief moment my heart sang with the old glory of WoW - when AV really was the WORLD of WARCRAFT.

Then Green Names and Red Names passed thorugh each other silently, no one dismounted, no one was stopped, no one even threw an offensive spell or a frost nova.

It was the saddest thing I'd ever seen.

Good for these changes. Screw anyone who prefered 'easy honour' to actually having PVP fun in BGs. I don't play PvP to earn my pretty items, I play it because PvP is fun, actually fighting and beating other players.

As a priest the biggest letdown about the current AV has been that there's almost never anyone to heal, if I play as productively as possible capping towers and bunkers, I basically see no action.

Sure it won't be like the old AV because back then a priest could more or less Downrank and Heal endlessly (god I loved doing that). Throwing an overranked Gheal (I was the only priest in AVs with the Book from AQ20 on our server) on a warrior when he went down to 30% would bounce his HP to 100%, it was like resetting a raid boss. Nowadays our Gheal is about 40% of HP if we've got good gear and our target has decent PvP gear.

However, I welcome the changes if it brings the WARCRAFT back to Alterac Valley.

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A ticket system? In a BG with a clearly defined objective? Why?
I used to be interested in AV, now I see no reason to bother. Limited respawns is a stupid idea.
Find another way.

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Not sure it'll actually be PvP but mostly just "which side has the least level 62 idiots who charge into the enemy over and over to their death"

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and with the anti-afk buff, I can now hope new life in alterac.

thanks.

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prosaic notions aside, this, like every other change to AV, will simply make it suck more. they should just kill that BG. by now, it would be a mercy killing.

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@8

Uh... you lose a reinforcement number for every PLAYER that dies as well. Game ends when the other side has zero reinforcements. So even if its a stalemate one team will win because one time will run out of reinforcements due to excessive player death.

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I can't decide whether to be ridiculously overexcited about the changes or cry helplessly at the removal of Ichman (oh, how he runs!) and the fact that dying will no longer be a consequence-free return to full mana.

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I like AV in its current state and considering you'll be in a mostly PUG a lot this just makes it all the more complicated and easier for some person to really hurt their team's chances. Along with that having the reinforcements go down because a player dies will make the honor you get from this dip as you will not have as many chances to try to kill foes.

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They better be smart and when the reinforcement count gets low, only the best performing players should be allowed to resurrect. Otherwise it will be just the scrubs using up the re-spawns and the first time a good player dies they will get shafted.

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I think with the added concept of team play incorporated in these changes, Blizzard should allow us to queue in groups again. Maybe not full raids, but maybe groups of 5-10.

Otherwise, this should bring some fun back into AV. I get tired of racing to that final GY to cap it, and missing out on all of the things in between.

On the other hand, I know there needs to be a balance somewhere; I remember having 5+ hour AV's back before the original changes.

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Speaking of the "mostly PUGs," They need to add the ability to join with a Party.

I understand why the single queue was instated in the first place, but that situation does not apply anymore with the new strategy and anti-afk measures in place.

Let me queue as a group!

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