I don't have a problem with WoW running slowly, but I've been having a horrible problem with load times.

Not only does it take a LONG time to load up a city, I also don't see any characters forever. Instead, I just see shadows on the ground for a while.

Any idea what causes this? I have 10k RPM hard drives, 2GB RAM, GeForce 7300 which usually nets me 60 fps when the game finally loads.

What's slowing me down?!

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You're describing an issue with lag/latency. What type of internet connection do you have?

Assuming you're on cable/dsl/whatever, are you connecting through a router? Have you tried to open the ports Blizzard suggests opening? Have you tried connecting directly to your modem, without a router? Are you connecting wirelessly, and have you tried connecting via ethernet instead?

Not specifically on WoW, but I've seen plenty of issues with slow/slow to respond internet access due to router issues - either a misconfiguration, or just a bad router.

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@Lykaon

Also, the more addons you run, the longer it takes to load. So, if you're running a plethora of addons, might consider cutting back to only the ones you use most often.

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I was running around 30fps with 2x 6600GTS's running in SLI mode. In a raid environment it would drop considerably.

I just upgraded to 2 x 8800 GTS's about a month ago. With the correct video settings I now am pulling 125 - 150fps on average in raids, and up to 280fps in normal gameplay.

I do have to agree with # 1 somewhat about the load times. I am on a 10mg cable line and it still takes a long time to load, and will sometimes not see my (or others) chars for a good 10 secs or so.

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Long load times can also be based on having a large number of add-ons, especially those that have big memory footprints and lots of assorted goodies to bring up.

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If you have an older computer (with an AGP slot) and you're looking for a video upgrade for WoW, I totally recommend the card that I'm currently using. It's fanless so it's totally silent which is a HUGE bonus in my book...

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A little note for those of you considering to upgrade to a new nVidia card - The model numbers have meaning. The first digit (the "thousands place" if you will) is the chip generation. The rest of the model is what the card is designed for. Basically, the lower the number, the less features the card has and the less performance you are going to get out of it. x600 or above is suggested for gaming.

Now, the only *major* difference between the current 8xxx generation cards and the 7xxx cards is DirectX10 compatibility, and that can only be taken advantage of via Windows Vista and games designed to make use of it (which WoW is not). So if you don't have any plans of upgrading to Vista in the next few years, you are much better off getting a last generation 7900 card then a new generation 8600. The performance of the newer card wont be different enough to make the extra cost worthwhile, and its going to take a few years before we start seeing enough DirectX10 required games to make the 8xxx generation and beyond mandatory.

Of course, this is only nVidia stuff - I don't know how the numbering system works for ATI as I personally am not a big fan of their products. (to each thier own, as they say)

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I have a

AMD 64 Athlon 3500+

2.19 GHZ 896 MB of RAM.

How outdated is this? ANd could anyone help me with telling me what kind of RAM I need to upgrade?

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@8:
ATI versioning system:
ATI card also use the xxxx system.
The 1xxx series is comparable in performance to the nVidia 7xxx series and the 2xxx series is comparable to the nVidia 8xxx series (the 2xxx series directx 10 compatible).
However, somewhat confusingly, the ATI 8xxx and 9xxx series are older than the ATI 1xxx and 2xxx series and do not perform as well.
Anything from a nVidia 7300 up or a ATI x1300 up should be able to run WoW decently (50+fps). If you want the top of the line, currently the 2900 XT is the best card offered by ATI and the 8800 Ultra is the best card offered by nVidia (the 8800 Ultra performs better than the 2900 XT, though it costs a couple hundred dollars extra). As the poster above me said, getting the ATI 2xxx or nVidia 8xxx series is not worth it unless you need directx 10 support (very few games right now use it, though many more will in the future). A nVidia 7900 or an ATI 1900 will probably cost less than an nVidia 8600 or ATI 2600 and will probably perform better.

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#9 while that's an older configuration, WoW's an old game.. you don't need the latest and greatest.. I have something slower with a nvida 6800 and I'm fine... as for ram your you'd have to double check with your mother board maker, but I'd susspect it uses 184-pin DDR400 ram

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Well, getting a better vid card isn't the ONLY way to get better performance (from a hardware perspective). My previous computer didn't run very well, but it had a pretty good vid card. My problem was that my processor was too slow. Unfortunately, it's a lot harder to upgrade your processor.

One of the nice things about Vista is that it gives you a Windows Experience Index number, which is basically a simplified way to see how good your system is for games (and other applications, I suppose). And new games will show you what the recommended WEI score is. It also shows you where you're lacking, so you know exactly what to upgrade. My WEI is 4.7, but I can get it up to 5.1 if I get some more RAM.

Granted, I'd probably have slightly better framerates if I just switched back to XP, but that's the cost of progress.

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I do Tech Support, this is my domain, mwa ha ha!

For PCs as well, you can get your active processes on your computer down to 20-30, this will increase your processing power by a bit. Hitting ctrl-alt-del, and going to processes, all the ones under your username are the ones you can mess around with. Also watch for startup items (and quicktime or itunes or ipod updates and things).

For macs, defragging isn't built in, but you can get a great program called Disk Warrior to defrag all your hard drives. I try to use this often and it makes my mac very happy.

Also keep an eye on your active processes, there is a tool in the utilites folder called Activity Monitor, and that will let you see what your computer is doing. If you don't know what a process is, google it.

Also, keep an eye on the active widgets you have up on dashboard, these can also take up considerable processor space when updating.

Lastly, for both windows and PC users, turn bluetooth discoverability mode off! Don't turn your bluetooth features on at all, unless you're planning on connecting to a bluetooth device.

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I run WoW on a Tablet PC (HP Compaq tc4200) with only 2Ghz processor, 1GB of RAM, and 128MB Video Card RAM. When raiding, I get about 10 fps, and depending on the area I am in, about 15 soloing. However, I also run a lot of addons:

Bongos
Auctioneer
Perl Unit Frames
Fubar
Recount
Omen
Dr. Damage
Mik's SCT
Cartographer
Atlas (Loot)

I am sure if I disabled most of these i would get much higher FPS, but around 10 fps is fine for playing.

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Here's a question I have though. I've recently come into possesion of an Optiplex 210L and inside it has more RAM then my current computer as well as a PCIe X1 slot. Now I've noticed there aren't many cards for the x1 slot but is there something optimal to go with for that slot? Is it possible to expand the slot to x4, x8 or x16? I'm still a bit of a novice in the area of newer graphic technology and am now trying to catch up. Any help would be apperciated.

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Tom's Hardware is the best site I've found for discussion about the best bang for the buck in terms of any upgrade you're planning for your computer. Especially video cards. Every month they do an article benchmarking all the video cards by price category and name tell you where the bargains are at. Video card prices can go up and down month to month and it's something to monitor very closely. It's important to note if your motherboard has the old AGP or the newer PCI express slot for the video card. Here is the link for the September reviews.

http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/09/05/the_best_gaming_video_cards_for_the_money/

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@15:
There is a video card that will fit in an x1 slot, but it's not a gaming card (it's also hideously expensive). Most PCIe cards will use at least an x8 slot (an x16 is nice, but offers minimal improvements). The x1 slots are largely useless for now except for a few niche cards.

For the 210L, your video upgrades are limited to old-school PCI cards. nVidia makes some 5200 and 5500 cards that will fit in those slots that will be much faster than the onboard video. (The 210 is a business workstation and lacks most upgrade options. You may be better off getting a new motherboard and a cheap case and cannibilizing the 210 for parts to build something with some usable slots.)

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A little known fact is that the fan around your Heatsink over your computers processor chip (the biggest one on your motherboard usually) is full of dust. This will cause your processor to run hotter and the fan to not cool as efficiently. This will reduce your FPS to a crawl with some areas (like raid instances, high traffic areas in Shatt, IF, SW, Org, UC).

Easy solution to it, buy a can of compressed air from your office supply store and very carefully spray out your fan and heatsink (while the computer is OFF). You would be surprised how many people think the fan is clean when it's clogged with dust and dirt.

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to further elaborate on the hard drive space thing, you need to keep %10 available free space at all times. 10gb to a 750gb drive, is going to cause issues and slowdowns, even though 10gb is a huge amount of space. 10gb to a 100gb drive is just fine though, it's all relative to the drive space.

additionally, with respect to addons, if you're using Ace addons, it'll dramatically speed up your load times and reduce your lag if you use standalone libraries with your mods, and not the embedded ones. This ensures they only load once, otherwise each mod has to attempt to enable their libraries individually, and although it won't succeed if 20 mods are loading the same thing 20 times, it adds to your load time. (and with Ace things, sometimes a mod uses 4-5 libraries, and if you have a handful of Ace mods with 4-5 libraries and they're all duplicating... it gets out of control real quick).

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@ 12 - Totally agree with this statement. I had been running a low FPS and had a somewhat capable video card (7800gt). My recent upgrade (Core 2 Duo 6750) increased my performance to the Nth degree.

Also, I would like to comment that other than DirectX 10, there are a large amount of differences between the 7xxx and 8xxx generation of nVidia cards. Not going to head into a rant about processors etc. buying a 8xxx generation card will future proof you much much better for the next years worth of games.

In all, for getting the most out of your system you should do all of the mentioned things.

1) Defrag your hard drives and run WoW on a streamlined machine with less than 25-30 processes.

2) Have a capable CPU/Video Card and memory sub-system.

3) Run add-ons that are memory friendly and have a small footprint (consider Ace2 add-ons from files.wowace.com)

4) If running on a network, ensure others are not using all of the available upload (or less important, download) stream from your connection. Users that are "maxing" out the connection will experience longer load times, casting delays, ghosting and other common network side effects. Your roommate who is downloading Season 3 of Lost could be the cause of your frequent lag.

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