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Well spoke, the wow forums are full of "so and so is OP" but if every class was truly balanced there would be no need for different classes.

I just hate when Blizzard nerfs something that is useful in raids because of people crying about it in PVP.

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So besides vs Rogues, Hunter and Warriors Warlocks are overpowered?

I dont get it. I have never been feared for more than a 10 seconds as a Warrior vs a Warlock. Deathcoil does have a cool down time so your not being deathcoiled like crazy either.

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The thing that continually bugs me about "class balance" is that the PVE game suffers because of PVP "balance".

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are you kidding me? (checks calender for April 1st)
The game is NOTHING about 1v1. the whole point of the game is MMO. They need to balance the game (through itemization) so that no class is TOO good by just pressing 4 DOTs and a fear (or equal). The whole idea as I see it, with introducing resilience was to balance PVP a bit. But they failed by "forgetting" DOTs.

p.s. NERF MS.

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@2 : you Sir, are an idiot, please go to a offline game.

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Funny balance should be mentioned, because the irony is that because Warriors were able to go anywhere freely because of Paladins' Blessing of Freedom in Arena, said blessing gets nerfed because of warriors.

Yeah, that's balance.

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People will always find a class to complain about being overpowered.

Blizzard will always continue to make changes to rectify this, resulting in cries of 'Nerf' directed at another class.

Q: How do we fix this?
A: Tell the whiners to stfu!

99% of the time, the actual problem is, people don't know how to play their F*&^ing class.

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I just want my 10% spell coefficient nerf back.

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The arenas are ruining this game. All the nerf threads on the forums are by people not skilled or smart enough to do good in arenas. They ban together and start crying until they get classes nerfed because they can't get their gladiator gear fast enough.

I also think Blizzard needs to moderate the forums a lot better. If they started getting rid of all the nerf threads, banning people who troll, and had the CM's actually answer legitimate questions the forums would actually be a useful tool.

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People complain about warlocks to distract everybody so they don't make any threads complaining about druid cyclones, warrior mortal strike, etc.

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Arenas are pointless...I'm curious as to what percentage of players actually play Arenas on a regular basis...

If they can't balance pvp for the most common situations (1v1 world pvp), then another game developer can.

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All of these problems have gotten worse because of the introduction of Arenas.

Balancing for such ruins World pvp, battlegrounds, as well as PvE Raiding.

It's nice that a game like WoW let's anyone do whatever they want endgame. It give something for everyone. Unfortunately it seems Blizzard is making Arena more of a priority than dungeons and raiding. Which for me is what the game is all about. Raiding dungeons is the backbone of Wow, plain and simple. Arena is nice for welfare epics and some tournaments, but to compromise PvE and other such balance? Blizzard needs to remember this.

Personally, my patience grows thinner with each attempt at 'balance'.

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I thought it at Blizzcon and I stand by it today. I think Tom Chilton completely has his head around the game and all of his answers were extremely reasonable and fair.

It's a big game, and they do an awesome job. If you get killed by a warlock, QQ. It happens.

I'm on a PVP server, and in a lot of ways I love it for the faction unity that exists, but most days I just hate it.

It's impossible to make everything balanced, and the sooner everyone realizes that the better.

If you don't like that warlocks are OP, roll a warlock and then there's nothing to cry about I say.

Instead, I love my Ret Paladin even if she is subpar compared to other classes. It's about fun. And I have fun. And if a warlock kills me 1v1, I rez and go on my way. I don't curse Tom Chilton for trying to keep a huge game together.

The guy came across to me as extremely capable and knolwedgeable and I gained a lot of respect for him after hearing him in the Blizzcon Panels.

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Blizz's way to "balance" the game: nerf a class, raise another, rinse, repeat each 2 months.

I'm a warlock. Do whatever you want with my class: remove fear, nerf DoTs, cut SB damage by half, turn us into turtles, whatever, I couldn't care less. But just do it all on PvP and don't mess with PvE.

Btw, I really pity those that take WoW's PvP seriously... Lrn2GuildWars already.

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@ 14)

Well said.

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These idiots are well on their way to destroy the game.
False, lying, deceiving developers.
and to all sucking up to "TOM" you are either a moron or play a class that doesn't have problems (warlock).

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Everyone has their opinions on what's OP. When a particular skill gets nerfed because it's too strong in PVP does NOT mean that people will no longer progress in raids. You learn to deal with it and then play like the change never even took place.

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General statements (I am sure that you are the exception to the following because you won the World Championship of Games Tourney all by yourself):

Warlocks - Wears cloth and is easily killed, not a big burst killer and certainly not OP. Hunters and Rogues kill them fast.

Rogues - Easily killed by Paladins / Warriors / Hunters / Shaman (given that they know how to play)

Hunters - In a BG, they are nearly unstoppable, in Arena they are not so hot. Up close and personal is the way to take them out. Send in a warrior or a paladin

Warrior - Brutal in Arena, almost worthless in a BG. Hunters can tear them apart in a BG environment, as can mages/locks/etc.

Paladins - Yeah, they bubble, but the ones who know how, can fight well too. They are tough to beat 1v1. Go down like nothing with a group on them and are vulnerable to burst damage.

Mage - Good burst damage, but still wear cloth. Any class can tear them apart BG or Arena if they can get to them (stealth rogue, charging warrior)

Priest - Shadow DPS is scary, but see the Warlock comments. Pretty much in the same boat.

Druid - Other than Warsong, do people actually PvP with them? The post about the finalists in the latest tourney showed ZERO teams with one on them.

Shaman - I love fighting Shammies. Good challenge. Like any other class, if they are good, they can hold their own...bad ones die quick.

Point of this comment is that ANY class is killable. People boo and hiss about Warlocks, Rogues, Hunters and Warriors being OP in PvP. Learn to overcome them. You have to be prepared to fight them. Just like they need to be prepared to fight you. Team makeup can determine who wins. Going against a double pally combo with two rogues...not a good idea. Two rogues vs. two locks...instant win.

If you think a Warlock wins by casting DoTs and then fear, think again. Warriros have to set you up for kills, and have to worry about spell damage tearing them apart. Everyone is vulnerable.

Also, take comments like mine with a grain of sand. I am not able to say this is true about every class, because people play differently. I actually had a Rogue that took out my Pally (first and last time). I had a Shaman kill my Warlock (it was close and a damn fun fight). You get the point. It’s a general claim. Give the OP talk a rest.

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Before someone comments on the "grain of sand" statement, yes, I meant a "grain of salt."

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