Hmm...I wonder if Kel'thuzad wears an Onyxia-Scale Cloak.

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Kel'thuzad.

He's the majordomo of the Lich King, who has been confirmed as the most powerful being on Azeroth. Take a second and try to imagine the kind of power the Lich King must give his generals.

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Every week, people ignore the 'similar health, damage and armor' bit at the end. Get a clue, people.

Anyway, all those things equal, I'll give this one to Nefarian. Son of a Dragon Aspect > Lackey of the Lich King.

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I thought we weren't counting adds as part of the boss fight? Apparently the rules change each week? You even state in this very feature that you are disregarding adds, but later go on to count the summoning of add's as one of each bosses abilities, without discounting those abilities? Good feature. What a joke.

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I think Kel would just mc Nef off a cliff or something

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But I guess he would just fly back up...

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Lich Lord Kel'Thuzad... why?
How many Great Dragons have fallen and become undead ? Proof they die and succumb to being undead.

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I say Kel'thuzad. Immobilize Nefarian at one spot and then he goes far away and proceed to detonate his mana over and over again. By the end of it, Nefarian can no longer do anything but rely on melee, and even then, he still is going to get rooted and still be pelted by frostbolts and the occasional mana detonation.

However, if Nefarian managed to get off his shadow flame first, he might win.

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@ 3 -
I agree, People seem to go with the higher instances (Except in very few cases) and they disregard a lot of information that would change the battle otherwise. Also, the add things shouldn't count either since it was established as a rule that NO adds will count. People just don't understand.

~Zuty

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Nefarian, DoTs FTW!!! Even if Kal kills Nef first those DoTs will take him down as well...I like the Lich King, he is my favorite Blizz Char. and yet I still think that Nef would be able (with same health, power, etc.) take Kal down in a "BLAZE OF GLORY"

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Nefarian would win by default if Kel has no Ony cloak...at the end of the DoT, you instantly die even if you survive it.

Well, we're making it so Nef is immune to any instant death spells, too, but the thing is that Kel'Thuzad doesn't have any instant death spells. Part of the challenge behind Nef is the requirement of an Onyxia cloak.

If we ignore that, if Nefarian doesn't move out of the shadow fissures and we're assuming total AI stupidity, the damage from each fissure will be too severe as he casts them very frequently. Ditto for not interrupting the single target frostbolt. Most of the major tricks of both bosses will not be able to do anything to one another, so it's down to brute force and who has the higher HP.

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I see it being pretty even until the summoned adds arrive.

For the first half of the fight, Nefarian keeps in melee range, moving to avoid the fissures. His cleaves keeping up with the frost damage Kel is throwing out. Kel'Thuzad reaches 40% just before Nefarian and summons in the Guardians.

If they were humanoid or beast adds, then Nefarian would be at an advantage. He could either chain fear them, or as Kel'Thuzad was trained as a mage, could force Kel to Wild Polymorph them (ok, it's not likely, but it adds flavour to the fight). Unfortunately they are, of course, undead leaving Nefarian with little recourse but to allow them to hit him as he continues to concentrate on Kel.

Nefarian hits 20% and summons in 42+ Bone Constructs. However Kel'Thuzad's spells have no limitations in targetting undead. A quick Frost Blast into the oncoming horde of adds and they go down quickly. Throughout the carnage the Guardians are getting increasingly more powerful and without any more tricks to call on Nefarian is killed.

So the end result is Kel'Thuzad with a clear victory. If neither side had been allowed adds, I would have handed the victory to the Nefarian. With the Scourge Army behind him, Kel gets another undead dragon in his collection.

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Nefarian's Bone Constructs aren't new adds, he simply resurrects the dead draconids from phase 1. So if we skip phase 1, he has nothing to resurrect.

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There's one really big thing about Kel'thuzad which even blizzard has forgotten. Lich Kings are supposed to be immortal, cannot be killed by any mortals.

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Kel'Thuzad's iceblocks (caused by Frost Blast) deal damage over time based on the target's max HP. Unless Nefarian is immune to Frost Blast I don't see how he could ever survive that.

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this feature has become a running joke

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>14 Good job Kel isn't a Lich King then isn't it.

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Power to the Black Dragonflight :P

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Can we maybe get this text bolded so people actually see it:

"We're trying to put them on an even playing field, instead of just presuming Kel'Thuzad would win because he's in the higher level dungeon."

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I hate how ppl are trying to theorycraft this thing instead of seeing it as the fun thing that it is.

If you break this fight down you have an evil dragon king who relies on Physical dps, shadow dmg, and fire dmg (Yes he also his some other tricks up sleve via his spell casting but those are his primary tools)vs. Evil Lich/Necromancer/frost mage/ with a bit of warlock in there.

I don't think either will be taking much shadow dmg but give the edge there to Kel who i don't think wil take the least.

Ice vs fire, ice's defensive tint tends to always give it the edge vs fires pure offence, again a nod to Kel.

Physical, Nef will pound the *@!& out of Kel if he gets his hands on him.

I also think Kel has the better bag of tricks to pull out (ie mana bomb), though Nef is none to shabby.

Smarts.... Kel ain't dumb but at the end of the day he's a lackey and Nef is the boss, so give that to Nef by a long shot.

I think it will be close and i think Kel could drive Nef off but not defeat him...

End of the day give it to Kel, by a hair.

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