Cyclone causes people to not get BG marks? Working as intended!

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"ghost wolves, when attacking, can now be seen carrying weapons."

Some are little behind, I noticed this a month or so ago. It was definitely not this patch that made it show.

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"But just because seemingly unrelated bugs are popping up doesn't mean they don't know what they're doing."

I beg to differ. These bugs should be caught in testing and fixed before the patch goes live, especially when the problems are as obvious as smaller shoulders or wolves using weapons. After all, MILLIONS of people are paying to play this game. Bugs are (most often) a bad thing which make paying customers upset.

While I'm not an expert programmer, I have done a bit of coding, and it truly boggles my mind to imagine what WoW's code must look like for some of these bugs to come up. Structured, organized code should go a long way to prevent such bugs, or at least make it much easier to track the source.

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I noticed last night after the patch that my human rogue moves the same speed whether she is stealthed or not. Made for some quick instance takedowns.

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Another undocumented bug fix - the Abyssal Flamebringers in blade's edge, at the forge camp south of ogri'la, have a lootable corpse now. No more trying to loot it before it falls underground :)

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I think that any bugs that affect gameplay should be fixed ASAP (like the Cyclone bug), but I'm ok waiting until the next patch to fix cosmetic bugs. It's a bummer, but at least it doesn't affect anything.

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@3

Coding projects on your own is quite different from doing projects on an enterprise level with multiple engineers, teams and resources. You have to write and iterate through thousands of test cases for every release, and to be honest, you can never release a 100% bug-free product. Now, say you have 2 weeks to QA a release, I'd rather have those resources allocated to testing core functionality, such as making sure that servers don't crash, that environments aren't exploited, etc. It's really easy for us to say "QA needs to do a better job", but in the end, that would essentially cause the release cycles to delay even further.

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i know some people think its not a big deal, but if i wanted shoulders this size, i would've just rolled a belf female. yes i rolled an orc for the shoulders bigger than your head.

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Not necessarily a big "Fix tomorrow". Smaller shoulders? Weapons on a wolf? Cosmetic changes, no big deal. Your shoulders don't actually have reduced stats from their visual size decrease. You don't get lower dps because your weapons are now visible. A hotfix for convenience would be nice, but cosmetic bugs aren't exactly game-breaking. Hell, half the BC Helmets screw up my Dwarf beard(either shaving it entirely, or the beard entirely poking through), but I'm not crying for a fast hotfix.

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"object-oriented programming is full of parent/child relationships, which means that a change in one class ("wearable items in the mail") can have strange effects all across the game ("Orc shoulders shrink")"

Haha, no... more likely that someone is commiting changes to the patches that they shouldn't be. Naughty interns and new employees FTW

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Okoloth is full of crap. Im quite sure Blizzard have better software developers than that. Decreasing the time on wearable items in the mail should not be able to produce the effects of the other bugs, unless there is some seriously screwed up code in there.

Its far more likely that someone accidentally merged some changes from the trunk into the release branch and it wasnt caught by QA.

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High heavens, the way some people whine and bitch one could get the impression that smaller shoulder armour equals castration.

OFF with the e-peen! *harr-de-harr*

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"doesn't mean we should give Blizzard a pass on fixing them ASAP (in my opinion, they shouldn't wait until the next patch to fix my shoulder size, thank you)"

That's fine but the fix should be applied over the course of a 5 hour outage from 8pm in YOUR timezone. Those in the oceanic region already loose out on too much game time for the same price everyone else pays, its only fair you start dealing with the downtime that you are demanding.

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Well, you are lucky, given the lack of mention of my problem here...

I can't log on. Huge amounts of people can't log on. It might be a european problem, but since the patch I've been on 0 times.

The forums are full to the brim of people with same problem.

If it were only just smaller shoulders...

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The weapons that appear on Ghost Wolf when attacking were there long before this last patch... :/

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You can't add any group quests in the LFG tool either now.

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You can duel now inside Ironforge.

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In 2 places too. One right by the bank, another between the Military Ward and middle. But that's been around for a long time.

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Yeah - if your object model has a connection between item scaling on specific models and mailing objects, then something is seriously baked in your code base or data files.

Seemingly unrelated bugs popping up and not being caught by QA is a pretty good sign that somebody doesn't know what he's doing. Now, it may not be the developers - it might be the build people or the QA manager, but there's definitely something odd going on here.

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Not sure if this is a recent bug, or has been around for a while -

I have the improved thunderclap (talent boosted ability) on my warrior which slows enemy attacks by 20% (from the normal 10%) When I highlight the skill on my action bar, of course, it says "so much damage, slows by 20%" but when I actually cast it and look at the debuff on the creature, it only lists slowing by 10%.

Not sure if it is actually doing 20% and just saying 10%, or if its actually doing 10%.

Danbalk ( Firetree-H )

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