
Our guild isn't large by any means. In fact, we're a tiny guild, although that's not for want of effort. The Rogue Knights has been around on Elune since beta, and has had a constant stream of very good players throughout our time on the realm. However, a while back a group of players decided to leave the guild, and since then we haven't quite recovered. How can a few simple people make the difference? Well, these players have gone on to form the core players in some of the largest guilds on the server, so you can see how that might affect our guild.
On the other hand, I've had lengthy discussions with friends on the realm about the difficulty with keeping a guild sustained. Many of the guilds we have allied with to raid simply no longer exist. The draw of the larger raiding guilds is strong, and we have lost many a good player to them. I think this shift is happening all over WoW. Loyalty to the guild is a fragile thing, in the same way that in today's society people are rarely loyal to a company for their whole lives. It really is sad that smaller guilds get used in this way: we clothe and arm the players, help them through the instances, run Gnomer until our eyes bleed. In the end, they use up the kindness of the guild and move onto to more shiny possibilities, the epic loot we can rarely offer except through alliances. Those alliances themselves are tenuous, and since the Expansion seem hardly to exist at all.
Where does this leave us? Firmly in the bracket of the "small guild." As much as I regret this, I have come to accept that people will leave, and that the players that care enough to stay are the ones I really want to play with. We have become a family, to the point that I miss them when I cannot play, and am eager to speak to them when I can. We nurture each other, laugh and cry with one another, are there when anyone needs a hand. The players come and go, but the family remains the same.

















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5-03-2007 @ 3:35PM
Pingmeister said...
The Guilds that invite every unguilded player they see are hilarious.
To paraphrase Groucho Marx "I wouldn't want to join any club that would have someone like ME as a member!"
For entertainment value a few of my alts are in invite-everything-that-moves guilds just for the disastrous guild chatter.
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5-03-2007 @ 3:53PM
Arturis said...
Ah, Our first official guild meeting. We were so young back then... Me and my big dorky blue shoulders. You switched out your caster gear for a blue dress to celebrate the occasion. Maelis got in a quick flex for the photo, while Denarath hid behind his trademark mask. What good memories.
Our gear and level have changed, but most of those characters in the picture (and the players behind them) are still around, and are the core of what keeps us adventuring in Azeroth, Outland, and whatever worlds lay beyond. Sure, Blizzard has designed a vast and beautiful realm for us to explore, but the greatest part about it is we do not have to do so alone.
Long Live the Rogue Knights!
-Arturis, RK Guild Leader
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5-03-2007 @ 3:56PM
Robert said...
Hi Amanda - I like your posts and writing style, but one question - do you really cry with your guild members?
My general policy on guilds is if I ask to join and their response is a /ginvite, I decline it. Anything halfway decent must be selective and if I don't have to prove myself to them, then none of their members did, and they're likely rife with bad players.
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5-03-2007 @ 3:57PM
Blackhorn said...
Guilds are great.. but let's put it in terms of families. Every member of the family eventually grows up and leaves the nest with all the experience and "phat lewtz" they've been provided as they grew.
But they do all eventually leave. And the ones that don't are looked down upon by the rest of society. 40 years old and still living with mom'n'dad?
I love my family, as most people do, but there's something to be said about a close-knit empoverished family versus allowing yours kids to get out there in the world and be successful, whether it's running a huge corporation/guild or earning their own phat lewtz.
This seems to be more about the small guild passiing judgement on the members that left than the big guilds judging the small ones.
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5-03-2007 @ 3:59PM
Blackhorn said...
Opening line meant to say "Small guilds are great"
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5-03-2007 @ 3:59PM
Hotorihanzo said...
I would not consider your guild small. In my opinion, the best guild in the game "Nihlium" has only 54 members according to the Armory. Being selective is key to raid progression. Not everyone has what it takes to do end game raiding. There are very few people that I would want to raid with....and all of them are in my guild.
Just my 2c for what it's worth
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5-03-2007 @ 4:04PM
Dozan said...
In my opinion, a guild that tells me exactly what I can / can't do isn't worth the time or effort. If I want to go gank lowbies in Ungoro, I'm going to go do it regardless of if my guild thinks it's wrong.
I'm not saying standards are wrong to have by any means, I just think there's a line that shouldn't be crossed.
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5-03-2007 @ 4:10PM
Surpriseb said...
I agree. Starting out in a small guild way back when on Feathermoon, I learned alot about what a guild should be. Finally breaking away due to guild drama I slowly built a guild of in-game and RL friends. I enjoy playing with people in my guild. Not just instancing (which I have the offical title of instance whore) but also helping with quests and the like. I know for sure I would have quit a long time ago if not for my guild. We have about 40+ members (not all active) and on a good day about 16+ on and playing. We aren't a strict raiding guild, but a lot of members like running the "end game" content. We have an excellent mix of great players so look us up on Sisters of Elune server, Cains Wisdom.
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5-03-2007 @ 4:14PM
Ramsey said...
Spot on!
I'm a core player in the same type of guld on Destromath (Jolly Pillagers [A]). Quality over quantity is always a plus in my book.
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5-03-2007 @ 4:17PM
BoBoTheChimp said...
I'm in a guild of about 10 or 11 players. Most of the people in my guild (save for this guy I quest with everynight in Reno) are people I know in RL. We mainly formed the guild to make talking to each other easier. I am trying to expand but it's hard to find people in the higher levels that arent already in one. It's fun just hanging around. None of us have the BC yet and the highest level is 50 or 51 (my main just hit 49 last night) so we arent into raiding or pvp quite yet. If you are lookin for this kind of guild my main in Alcarcalimo on Bladefist. My guild is the Moonlight Marauders
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5-03-2007 @ 4:21PM
Omegi said...
firmly believes that every player needs a home. Be it the casual player, altaholic, PvP King or the hardcore raider every player eventually finds a home. What separates us from other guilds is that we tend to use the years of experience we have gained from leading a gaming community and applied it to an MMO.
We allow every style of player in our guild. All that want in can join. All that cause problems are quickly shuffled out the door. Every new member will be considered an initiate until he/she decides to contribute more to the community. At that time they can apply on our website for full membership and if it's approved the door to many more guild options is opened up.
We have found that not all players enjoy being forum whores. Not all players feel they should put in a job application just to enjoy a casual night of gaming. Which is why uses it's guild chat and Ventrilo as a filter to bigger and better things.
We have been around so long because we have always been built on solid leadership and with a zero tolerance to drama.
I personally do not think a guild is good based strictly on size, player skills or progression. What matters to me is if the guild is based on solid instructions that are simplistic in nature that are easy to follow and have leaders that will not waiver from the guidelines they expect their members to follow.
http://www.JettClan.net
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5-03-2007 @ 4:22PM
Joe said...
I agree. What better way to have fun than with your friends?
With that in mind, anyone know a guild like this on Bonechewer-A? I moved servers to play with a RL friend and his guild is basically like this, but at peak population there are maybe 10 people online. I don't want to leave but I would like to be able to do at least 5 mans at 70! Logging in any time during the evening my time and seeing 3 other people in the guild on is not good. Sorry, off-topic.
Back on topic:
Do you guys think a guild can be TOO small? (I do, see above.)
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5-03-2007 @ 4:24PM
John said...
I think a good selective system (usually referrals, I guess) can be really helpful. I was in a fly-by-night guild that I don't see aroudn anymore once, and there weren't any benefits. It depends what you want...just want the title under your name? OK. Just want chat? OK. But if you want people that are dependable to ask for help, or if you want a good sharing/guild bank system, you need a little selection and a process, otherwise, you'll just get used...
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5-03-2007 @ 4:25PM
Omegi said...
Sorry, where you see a word missing there is supposed to be < J E T T >
Sorry for the confusion. Didn't realize I had to write guild tags in HTML.
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5-03-2007 @ 4:38PM
ripper said...
"The Rogue Knights has been around on Elune since beta"
If i remember correctly there was only one server for beta, atleast there was during phase 2. so maybe the guild has been around since beta but had not been established on that realm till later.
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5-03-2007 @ 4:42PM
PaulM said...
I know exactly what you're getting at in this post, my guild is exactly the same. Fortunately, on my server raid groups are common where people from different guilds raid together so we don't lose too many to other guilds. I wouldn't give up mine for the world, they recently bought my new wife (a fellow guildy) and I a wedding present despite the fact that we've never actually met any of them :)
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5-03-2007 @ 5:11PM
Derelict said...
The link-y goodness that was our URL didn't come through.
http://www.agonalbreath.com
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5-03-2007 @ 5:51PM
Strongmark on Arthas said...
I love small guilds! I started with the same guild that I never plan on leaving. We have a few members that are off and on, and they are welcome to come and go as they please, as when they are done with their raiding, they come back to us, since we are all real life friends. We welcome anyone that has the same attitude as us, and quite honestly, the same attitude that Amanda expects. We're all adults and are free to do whatever they want. We instance together every now and then and have fun together, but all solo alot too. We tend to all group together, even when we're in 3 different parts of Azeroth/Outland. Currently, we have about 25 chars in the server, with about 12 different people, most times we have about 6-7 people on, so in a percentage, we have a good 50% on at all times. We're all happy with where we are! :)
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5-03-2007 @ 5:51PM
Throckmorton said...
Just a quick note:
Rock on Rogue Knights
Throck
Once and future member of the RK
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5-03-2007 @ 5:51PM
guildie said...
I'm a member of several guilds one with coworkers, one with family members/friends and one with other gaymers. Each guild is fun in their own unique way, but the key to me having a good time is the "casual" aspect. Having a GM tell me how to spec or what I can or can't do kills the fun. I pay my WOW account like anyone else so I should be able to play how I want. That being said I don't gank (unless ganked) and if the ganker is a similar level I will hunt them down and try to get them back :)
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