>But I think we can all agree that they really should.

Well, I don't. And I'm sure I'm not the only one. Why do players want to go back to these old instances so badly at 70? If you want to run SM or other old instances again, roll a new character! You can always experience that content again if you like. But I've run through all of those old instances before, and I'd like to see some new stuff.

Actually, I think Blizzard was smart when they made the Outlands instances. Many players (like me) skipped instancing while leveling 60-70 because it often amounted to less XP gained. But with heroic dungeons, I'll need to go back there now that I'm 70, and I won't feel like I'm wasting my time.

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I doubt it'll happen, but would love to see it.

I really loved some of the old instances and could see some great storylines that would go into a Heroic mode of each.

Scarlet Monestary, Mauradon (my favorite), Scholo and even Deadmines/Ragefire. All of these could have some great additional storylines added to them.

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@Gman.

If you don't want to run the old instances, then don't. I wager Blizzard will eventually make Heroic version of MC, Blackrock, etc. A Heroic Dire Maul, Maraudon, or Zul'Farrak might be intereting. If anything, this might offer Heroic Badges to be used at quartermasters to get specific loot from the major cities.

I'm sure there's a plan in the works to make the old instances still viable. If the Outlands instances are all that remains, eventually the 70's will get very bored with them too.

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RFC: You level so fast past 16, that not many people run this instance seriously. I'd like to see 70's wiping in rfc :D. Scarlet Monestary, not so much. Because it's a favorite instance, it doesn't need more traffic. Retool the under ran instances to be more fun.

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I don;t know if this is for sure or not.

I hit lvl 60 on my first warlock right about the time patch 2.0 came out, so about a month before the expansion. I read up on the dreadsteed quest, especially the summoning encounter at the end. Every description of the encounter said that 4 felguards would spawn at intervals throughout the fight.

So after grinding the gold and mats necessary for summoning the dreadsteed, I gathered a group and headed for DM west.

We killed immolthar, I gave the rest of the group a quick run down of what was about to happen, and I started the ritual.

Well, 8 felguards spawned instead of 4. We still managed to hold them off right up until the ritual completed. We wiped JUST as the ritual completed, which was fortunate because that was really hard dealing with all those felguards. We recovered and got ready for the dreadsteed. But the fact that between patch 1.12 and 2.0 several more felguards were added led me to believe bliz adjusted the dificulty of this encounter in anticipation of having higher lvl characters doing the encounter.

If I am wrong about this, and consequently then every description I had read about the encounter was wrong, let me know.

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there is no *old* 25 man content. Between this and the "know your lore" person saying that Alleria was a Night Elf I am starting to wonder if you people even play this game.

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@Zuuler

You could be very correct with this line of thinking. Blizzard has already made instance bosses scale with the highest level player in the group/raid.

So... if a raid of 40 people, all 60, are doing MC and just one person happens to be 70 then things will get real interesting real fast. >.

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If I recall from my recent experience, we only had 2-3 felguards spawn the whole time...in fact we were 1/4 of the way through before I got to enslave the first one, and 1/2-way through before the other warlock got his. It was almost too easy with 2 70's, and 3 64-67's. We had no problem with the imps (I just hit them each with corr, and wanded what was left, while the felguard got put on aggressive) and I think we only had to actually down one felguard.

Sounds like you had an unlucky spawn rate.

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@Todd
I have heard about that, but this was an encounter designed to have 4 felguards and a known highest lvl player to be 60 (have to be 60 to get the dreadsteed quests). I did this quest after 2.0 but before the expansion, so no one in the group could possible be more than 60 as the lvl cap hadn't been raised yet.

So is it possible they added more felguards in anticipation of characterrs being over lvl 60 but before it was even possible to be over lvl 60?

I don't think its too far fatched to think they may have done this, as the first Eye of the Storm weekend was the weekend before the expansion came out.

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everyone knows that a heroic deadmines would be as epic as it gets. and on top of that it would do Edward VanCleef some justice.

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ew, the last thing I want when I'm leveling my alt is a bunch of lvl 70 horde taking turns one shotting me outside the instances

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Even if they jsut upped all the mob lvls in the dungeons by 10 lvls would probably be enough to retool the dungeons for lvl 70 players. Maybe scale all the mobs in the dungeons by the highest lvl player, not just the bosses.

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Even if they jsut upped all the mob lvls in the dungeons by 10 lvls would probably be enough to retool the dungeons for lvl 70 players. Maybe scale all the mobs in the dungeons by the highest lvl player, not just the bosses.

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"Lots of players say that Blizzard should start at the beginning and make a Heroic Deadmines, and I have to agree that it would be a lot of fun."

Silly Alliance, Ragefire Chasm would be the first if they started from the beginning.

FOR THE HORDE! :)

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Thinking about it now, I'm not that jazzed about any of the pre TBC instances getting a makeover other than perhaps the Dire Maul instances. Most of the other ones weren't terribly fun and were too long after having gotten used to speed BC runs.

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Definitely VC. The very interesting backstory(with its close ties to the rebuilding of Stormwind) was mostly lost when it was done when we were all newbies, with no clue why we're doing VC, other than the fact that it's there, and several random quests led us in. Definitely could be great. Add Scarlet Monastery right behind it, the other most memorable instance. Heck, even throw in a heroic Gnomeregan. Less so for RFC and Stockades, since those pretty much apply only for one faction doing each of them.

I like the idea of heroic tokens though, to redeem for rewards, possibly at the Command Center in SW, and the Orgrimmar equivalent. Maybe tokens that drop off each heroic boss?

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ZG and AQ20.

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AQ20/40 retooled for 10 and 25 respectively.
MC for 10.
BWL/Naxx for 25.

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@18
Effectively now, you could do those raids with those numbers of people and it should prvide somewhat of a challenge without them being retooled.

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Deadmines.....that's pretty much the end of the discussion. That is the ONLY instance where I'd wanna go back.

And make cookies stirring rod a new lvl 70 epic plz....

But I agree with #1, you wanna run the old content, why waste bliz's time to re-do, and upgrade OLD content? Give us new stuff to run, fix broken things in burning crusade, re-design some gear so it isn't just T2 palette swapped items, focus on other stuff. You wanna run SM for the 893749th time? Roll another alt...

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