I've been on a 45 minute baron run with a 5 man of 60-68 players, also went back in solo to get my piccolo after dinging 70 :P

I've heard stories of duos going in and cruising right on to the bosses that might drop some BOE tier 0 for an up and coming alt...

Also heard the other day of a Naxx PUG that ended up with 18 people, but they wiped on the first boss and said screw it let's go back to outland.

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We were running alts and pallies through scarlet, and basically pulled the entire instance and just AOE'd it down.

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Soloed Jailbreak on my 65 feral druid before the patch went thru....The hardest part was picking up the loot faster than Windsor got to then next cell...it was fun, however.

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Not everyone enjoyed the "challenge" the old instances brought. While the 5-mans were always pretty easy, I never enjoyed wiping endlessly in raids (no more than wiping endlessly now).

To be perfectly honest, we headed back to some low-level stuff just for kicks and ENJOYED it. We enjoyed not having to worry about running back, gold for repairs, etc. We enjoyed not needing to farm for mats. We enjoyed actually knowing the exact strat to use.

"Challenge" in Wow was always relative. Is it "challenging" to have an instance kick your ass repeatedly? Not really. I always thought it was akin to having model building as a hobby, and every time you put the plane together it would fall apart on its own. This would happen for a couple weeks, then you'd finally get it together. Happy with this accomplishment? Not really -- just went onto the next plane for a few more weeks. Rinse and repeat.

Give me "easy" instances any day.

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lvl70 Undead warlock
i would love to see them redo SM and ZF for lvl 70 to go have fun in. I love the instances and i think it would be good to go and do them now

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this just saddens me, seeing as there was so much on azeroth I hadn't done with my highest lvl character... its almost like there's really no reason to go back to Azeroth once you've gone to Outland... Retune, tweak, add content, SOMETHING...
Give me a reason to do my first DM run, or do scholo, or strath, or bwl, or ubrs... or one of the many, previously endgame instances I never did.

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I never even got to run them the first time around - I hit 60 right before the expansion. I've been in ZG once for 3 bosses, and MC once with 15 people to take down luci. It's ridiculous that I'm missing out on all this great content...is it really my fault that I discovered the game a year after it started, and play casually enough that it took me another year to hit 60?

They really really REALLY need to make Heroic modes for the old raids - so we can go back and enjoy them!

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No reason to go back to Azeroth? What about Kharazan and Caverns of Time? Some of the highest level 5-10 mans in TBC are in Azeroth. Not to mention Zul'Aman which is rumored to be a 25 man raid.

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I would love to see heroic mode. That way when you visit your old stomping grounds, it wouldn't seem so small! It would still be a challenge, just like it was before. With the current Heroic-mode token system, it would be rather easy to itemize the old raid instances -- just give out tokens as boss drops! :)

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#7
I'm with you on this. I've been playing since launch... when my gf was pregnant. I hit 30 when the baby was born, and couldn't hit 60 until the expansion. I've got like 15 characters in the mid-20s, but that's not good enough to run MC... really wish I could've.

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#8
Good point, forgot about those. Still, you're not really doing azeroth as much as you're doing those specific instances... I'll save my complaining until I see what Zul Aman is all about.

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I demand Heroic SM! I love SM. I love running lowbie friends and guildies through SM. I RP as an Undead mage, and I took a friend through what I called the "culinary tour" of Armory. Good times.

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My guild has tried, but I said long before BC that I would not go back to MC or any of the 60-raids "for fun" as there is nothing fun in doing these instances.

There was a reason why we did not "for fun" do a 10 man raid in Sunken Temple, a good reason why we did not team up elite 5 man parties and go to BRD "for fun", it's not fun.

And after doing MC, most of my guild said "meh, lets not do that again"

Now they are talking about doing AQ40.. *sigh*

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The other night my friend and I (70 holy paladin and 70 feral druid) did a 45 min Baron run. It was fun, but nowhere near as challenging as it used to be. And I agree that heroic modes for the old dungeons would be fun; I miss Scarlet Monastery. But I understand that it would require a whole of work on the part of the developers to "attune" the dungeons to 70s, and their time might be better spent working out the kinks of Outland first. For now I'm satisfied playing through the old dungeons with my friends in our new, static, 5-man, blood elf group. I can't tell you how many times I've heard people say "omg blood elves". Cracks me up every time.

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How many level 60 dungeons are there?
ST, BRD, LBRS, UBRS, Stratholme, Scholomance, ZG, MC, BWL, Dire Maul, Onyxia's Lair, Ruins of Ahn'Qiraj, Temple of Ahn'qiraj.

That is 13 dungeons with 60 in the name. Not all of them are fun or challenging at 60, ST for one, but they are there.

How many level 70 dungeons are there?
Karazhan, Zul'Aman, Opening the Dark Portal, Battle of Mount Hyjal, The Shattered Halls, Magtheridon's Lair, The Steamvault, Serpenshrine Cavern, Shadow Labyrinth, The Mechanar, The Botanica, The Arcatraz, The Eye, Gruui's Lair, Black Temple.

That is 15. So there are just as man, even more level 70 dungeons out there.

The mix of 5 vs 20+ man are about the same. So there are a similar number of dungeons. It would be really nice to go back and play all of those original dungeons at 70 though. Before BC you had a LOT of time to run 60 dungeons. How long would you spend running lvl 60 dungeons before moving on to Outlands now?


I hit 60 shortly after BC came out and didn't buy BC until I hit 60. I've run ST plenty of times, BRD plenty of times, LBRS once, Scholomance once. Now that I have BC I've done Ramparts a few times and Blood Furnace once. What point is there to run other 10 or so lvl 60 dungeons? I would like to experience those dungeons.

There is always the thrill of running 20 or 40 man dungeons with 5 or 10 people I guess.

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I am having the same issue that poster #7 has.

I hit 60 with my main the weekend before BC was released. I did ZG once to down panther, a few scholo's and thats it.

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#15
I guess that's the point. How long would a 60 run those dungeons, only to go to the BC content and get better gear on ez quests.

Something's gotta be done, even if it's a "pick up a drop off such-and-such a monster to do heroic mode" elsewhere...

There's going to be a LOT of people that never see some of this content that Blizz spent a lot of time working on.

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I never did any of the end game content. My guild was too small and spread out to put together a party of 60's until after BC, so I just did PvP.

Since the patch, I've run Scholo to the Lab, DM:E for the key, and DM:W for the dreadsteed quest. It just feels like a waste of time, since we could be making gold hand over fist in outland, but here we are killing grey elites instead...

I clicked on a 60 druid the other day and he was gray to me... So, as a warlock, I don't think I can even collect shards in Azeroth anymore.

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The guild (but not me, it was a post-travel day) went back to ZG to build more of a raiding atmosphere within us all, and where before, we had only just started, and downed the bat/snake bosses, they went all the way and downed Hakkar. Not everyone in that group was over level 61 either. I say go back, it doesn't seem as hard as you think.

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Luckily, for all of us that didn't finish BWL or AQ40 before TBC hit, there is still a lot of challenge to be had. Only because you have a raidgroup of 30 - 40 level 70s doesn't mean that Vael is a nice, cuddly dragon all of the sudden. Without the right tactics, he will wipe you.

MC, on the other hand, has turned into a playground. Not much challenge in there. But new raid groups who go there, who has never seen set foot there before, might have a hard time - 70 or no.

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